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There are many reasons why homeowners need a professional to excavate their yard, concrete or around their foundation. In this guide to hiring an excavator, we'll dig into what situations require someone to do excavation work, what to look for when hiring an excavator, what you should do before you dig, alternatives to excavation, costs to excavate on your property and scams to avoid.

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Short answer - yes it is possible. However, generally you are looking at major $, and a lot of workers tracking dirt up and down the basement stairs unless you have (or can easily add) an outside basement door.

You would need a General Contractor as well as a foundation specialist if you use a General, who will handle permits, minor electrical, plumbing, and drywall repair issues even though most of the heavy work may be done by the foundation specialist subcontractor. If you go the lift beam method, then it might be a house mover doing the lifting, then the General and normal trades handling the rest.

When a house is built with a part basement and part crawl space, the footer (the concrete strip support pad the foundation wall is bonded to with rebar and sits on) typically sits a foot or two below the basement slab. Then, to save money, they "step-up" the footer to a shallower depth for the crawl space. This means that to deepen the crawl space to full depth, you also have to deepen the foundation. It is very rare to put in full depth foundation all around, then backfill part of it to crawlspace depth - if you have gone to the trouble of full depth foundation all around, why not pour a slab and sell the additional basement footage too ? See if you can come up with the builder's plans p they will show you what the footer does.

Deepening the crawl space to full depth is commonly done in one of two ways for residential jobs (there are several more sophisticated methods such as pin piles used on large or very tricky commercial jobs, or on historic buildings with weak foundations and walls) -

1) by carefully excavating the crawl space to the new footer depth (say about 5-8 feet below ground level, depending on whether you have a daylight or full basement) bit by bit along the foundation (3-5 feet at a time, typically), usually tearing out the existing foundation for that section while temporarily support the existing wall and joists, then pouring a new concrete footer and foundation wall up to the bottom of the house beams. Occasionally, they will be able to leave the existing wall and pour the new foundation up to and connect to the bottom of it. Then you move on and do another section the same way, so you are incrementally removing dirt, building a new wall section, then moving on. This is quite expensive because of the limited work space and difficulty of getting materials in and waste dirt and old foundation materials out, and the slow progress due to having to wait for concrete to set before you can buid the wall on the footer, and before you can move on to the next section.

2) by cutting slots in the existing crawl space walls and sliding heavy steel beams through  crossways under the floor joists and picking up the weight of the section of the house over the crawl space on jacks, elevating it about 1/2 inch above the existing foundation, all at one time. Then they can remove the existing crawl space foundation and all the dirt all at once, and pour a new footer and pour or lay a new foundation up to the bottom of the walls, then lower the house back onto it and pull out the support beams.

Either way, because of the restricted work space and waitingon concrete setting, the excavation and new foundation will cost about 2-4 times as much as one done outdoors. Therefore, while this type of job is done on occasion, a contractor's or architect's estimate usually shows that you can build a totally new one story extension or Florida room for not an exorbitant amount more, and that new space is worth a lot more to most homeowners, and certainly to a new buyer, than basement space.

As one example, we had two neighbors years ago who had the numbers run by an architect, and for one the estimate was only 30% more to build a large Florida room than to reclaim a crawl space about 1/3 smaller in floor area. For the other they could get the foundation and rough framing (without siding, roof, or interior) for a basement-less new addition the same size for the same price as digging out the crawl space. For this reason, when crawl space expansion is done on a residence, it is usually a do-it-yourself job (and you have to be pretty experienced to do it right).

One other factor of significance if you dig out the crawl space is all the utilities (wiring, pipes, ducts, etc) have to be checked to see that there is freedom of movement at the interface between the area over the crawl space and the rest of the house, as there is bound to be a little bit of movement between them. It is also almost inevitable that there will be minor non-structural cracking and slight separation of plaster or drywall walls and ceilings at the junction area over the first couple of years afer construction. Nailed-down hardwood flooring and vinyl near the interface can also buckle, though "floating" laminate floors are usually OK. Of course, if the contractor is incompetent or inexperienced, serious damage to the house can result, particularly if the foundation collapses while he is digging.

Therefore, I would not recommend this route except for a very expensive house (as in building a wine cellar or safe room), a historic house where additions are prohibited, or one the owners just love and intend to live in for many more decades but do not have land space for an addition. I would put the money into an addition if you need the additional space and have the land.

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Well the fact is he is going to have to pull permits which means it has to be inspected before he is done, you also have to consider the equiptment that he has to bring out to the jobsite to do the job and the man power plus materials, it's costly, but I am not from your area so if you are unsure call another company out and see what they say.
Don't tell them what the other company said as far as price.
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It is almost certain that you will have to modify the foundation to make it deeper too - and that is MAJOR structural work.

 

You need a civil/geotechnical engineering firm with experience in foundation rehab and putting in basements under existing homes to design the process and prepare and seal the plans and specifications, which you will need before you can get a building permit for this. They will also be able to help you select either a foundation excavation or a house moving and jacking company to do the actual work for you.

 

The engineer can also help you with a cost estimate - because I think you will be surprised how much this is going to cost. I have designed or managed quite a few such jobs, from highrise buildings to homes, and even the smallest houses of about 600SF footprint ran at least $15,000, and generally house basement excavations run more like $25-40,000 unless the foundation was originally designed for it but for some reason the basement was never put in, which is VERY rare except in very deep frost areas were footings are occasionally deep enough to allow a basement to be dug without deepening them. I worked on a couple back east that ran about $100,000 each because they were old 2-story brick buildings, which are very sensitive to differential movements - probably like yours.

 

A couple of other factors to consider is that in doing this you are likely to get at least some minor drywall cracking and door and window jamming, and be sure the contractor is insured and bonded to the hilt and for the potential rebuild value of the house, not just the job cost, because a major mistake can turn your house into a teardown. Not common, but the less experienced the contractor the more likely he is to do something dramatically wrong, and at the same time the smaller and less experienced contractors generally have lower coverages so your risks is compounded in two ways. With a row home you have the added risk of damaging adjacent units.

 

One thing to consider cost wise before you go ahead - I have worked a couple of jobs where it turned out cheaper and far safer to scrap the digging in a basement idea and put in an addition with same footprint instead. However, looking back I see you are in a row home, so that is likely not going to work. However, being in a row home, especially if on the Potomac flats south or east of the capital area, the soil conditions are generally the pits once you get off the Georgetown heights, so putting a basement under a rowhome without disturbing the other ones is VERY difficult and pricey - I would be surprised if you could do it for less than $100,000.

One other factor is utilities - one of the first things to do is check depth to any utilities like sewer lines, the Metro, etc - if you are over one of those that could well put your project totally out of the frame of reality.

 

You asked for a recommendation - one who specializes in this type of work that I would recommend, though your job might well be too small size for them - but they might be able to give you an engineer and contractor recommendation if so. Company name is Schnabel Foundation Company in Sterling Va and Bethesda, MD in your area - website www.schnabel.com. They could handle both the engineering and construction.

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If the windows are being put in by a general contractor, he can easily handle the window wells too. If you were looking for a window installer to do the windows, they might or might not do the window wells as well - some do, some do not. A small one-man excavation company can do this excavation, as can a handyman as it just takes about 1/2-1 hour shovel work per window in normal soil conditions, because the soil around the foundation is already pretty loose from foundation constructiuon (as a rule). Just be sure they pour concrete in the bottom to keep water from coming under the well, and that it is firmly fastened to the foundation and liberally asphalt sealed at the interface with the concrete - not just caulked at the edge, but mastic-coated on cleaned concrete BEFORE the window well in installed and concrete poured in the bottom. (Note - the concrete depends on soil conditions and water level - if your soil is pretty free draining and groundwater level never comes up to bottom of window well, then a gravel bed in the bottom is best so it stays dry - but if groundwater rises that high or you are in real impermeable soil like clay, then concrete works best. If concrete bottom is used, you probably want to have the clear acrylic window well cover put on too to keep water and frogs and such out. Of course, if this is an emergency egress window, you cannot put the plastic covers over it legally.
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Wow - from way general to totally specific - nice job, you have your scope of work almost ready to contact potential bidders about giving a bid - just need to double check each item hads quantities attached to it, plus a plan with depths (or specify tie-in elevations to existing pipe and required drain/pipe slopes - say 1% or more). Search the List (in green banner bar) for Earthwork and Excavation contractors in your area with good reviews and ratings.

here is a very rough idea of costs - obviously you need bids to tie it down, this should just give you a ballpark to compare to - assuming all this work is done at the same time.

1) & 2) - Tree and rock maybe $100 - more like $200 if you want the stump totally rooted out rather than just the stump and root crown taken out.

3) Walk removal and disposal probably about $100-200 - maybe half if these are 3-4 inch individual concrete squares or rectangles that can be skidded to the side, the excavation and ground sloping done, then slid back into place with a backhoe or bobcat or by wood skids and prybar, eliminating the hauling and disposal cost.

4) Excavation and disposal of soil probably about $20-30/CY, because you are talking a small quantity. Cheaper if you have an on-site area it can be spread out onsite for disposal, or stockpiled in yard as a future project dirt pile, if that is suitable.

5) You don't say what the existing drain is - underground drain for downspouts maybe ? For shallow burial, probably about $5/LF or so. Why square - round is cheaper and far stronger for given material thickness.

6) Fence R&R probably about $150-200, depending on depth of posts and whether concreted in or not.

7) vegetation removal - not knowing how much, $100-200

8) Garden wall around $10-12/SF assuming excavated material from yard is suitable for the general backfill - remember should go 4-12 inches below grade for stability (4" for this wall, more like 6-12 for higher front wall)

Front/side yard:

1) Move large boulder - $50-100

2) vegetation removal and relocate 3 shrubs - $150-300 (not knowing how much vegetation orhow big shrubs are)

3) excavation at $20-30/CY again as above

4) sprinkler system relocate/repair - $75-150

5) garden wall around $12-15/SF as above including concrete footer needed for this height wall

6) area drain laterals about $5-10/LF, assuming not over 3 feet deep

7) slab drainage - I don't know where the quick lime idea came from, but this is a no-go - it will remove a small amount of water (maybe 5-20 gallons) from the soil one-time - it has no long term function as it will quickly become saturated. You are actually likely to have 5 wet circles in your concrete slab from this forever, as the lime will act as a soggy sponge, retaining water that would otherwise wick away. If you have or expect a basement slab moisture problem, then you need a sump pump with sump installed, and possibly (depending on how free-draining the base material under your slab is to carry waer to the sump pump) lateral drains cut in below the perimeter of the slab. Can run from $800-1500 range for a pump and pit depending on capacity and wiring situation, plus $500-1000 for an emergency battery-powered backup if desired. $1000-2500 range typically if lateral drains around the perimeter of the slab are necessary. Cheaper but sloppier and moisture-causing solution is small trenches or above-slab channels to carry the water to sump pump. These laterals are commonly held off on till you see if the sump pump can handle the issue itself, ASSUMING you have unfinished basement so a bit of seepage aroundbthe slab does no more damage than needing a mopping up. Personally, unless you have a continual seepage of water into basement or it is finished so leakage is critical, I would leave sump pump and drains for later - to see if your surface drainage changes eliminates the basement dampness problem, which it commonly does unless your water table rises to the basement slab level. Also, having a sump pump implies water issues and tolls against any future buyer finishing an unfinished basement, so it detracts from resale value if you have one.

Note these are off-the-cuff type numbers, NOT any sort of deliberate estimate - but I felt it was better to give you a ballpark than to just say go get estimates. Except for the floor drains, this sounds like a good job for a small 1-3 man excavation and hauling company, but make sure they have experience in putting in drain pipe and block walls and have good references in that area.

Note- if you are inclined to do it yourself work and have the time, most of this is good homeowner home improvement project material. You could have a contractor with a bobcat or small tractor with small backhoe come and pull the fence posts out (you could remove the above-ground apart easily), trench for the pipes, maybe move the rocks and sidewalk (though you could do that yourself with a few scraps of wood as skids and a 5 foot prybar assuming the walk is in piece, not continuously reinforced, and to do the bulk excavation and hauling for you, leaving the vegetation clearing, pipe work, trench backfilling, final slope dressing, block wall building, transplanting, etc to you - could cut your cost about 1/3-1/2. Basement slab drainage I consider a separate issue which would not cost significantly different if done as part of this job, or later if drainage channels or slab french drains are deemed necessary.

For the excavation - remember to get utility locates - I recommend once for bidding so they know where utilities are, then require the bidder to get relocates just before excavation starts. Gas, telephone, cable TV are commonly less than a foot down - water and sewer usually 3 feet or more but don't count on it. Also worry about septic system is you have that, and any power or water lines to/from well if you have a well. Plus of course your sprinkler system if in the way of proposed excavation.

Good Luck with your project

 

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Access Basement Systems

10 Marticville Rd.
Lancaster

Alpha & Omega Construction

10 Marticville Rd.
Lancaster

America's Choice Remodeling

3050 C Canby Street
Harrisburg

ANDREW T. OLSZEWSKI CONTRACTOR

1434 KAYLOR RD
Hummelstown

ARNEY BROTHERS INC

4820 CUMBERLAND ST
Harrisburg

B.R. Kreider & Son Inc

63 Kreider Ln
Manheim

Baer Care Property Maintenance

448 Old Stage Rd
Lewisberry

Bahret Church Interiors, Inc.

135 North Fairview Ave
Harrisburg

BECK & ASSOCIATES INC

6900 BLUE RIDGE AVE
Harrisburg

Ben Souder's Lawn Care & Landscaping

1514 W Trindle Rd
Carlisle

BettterWay Excavating LLC

1926 Willow Street Pike
Lancaster

Blouch's Landscaping Inc

2221 Parkway W
Harrisburg

Blu Creek Co.

1472 Pine Tree Ave
Harrisburg

Blue Mountain Building and Remodeling Inc

541 Brandt Ave
New Cumberland

BMK Construction

1098 Trail Road North
Elizabethtown

Bradley's Property Maintenance, Inc

6844 Wertzville Rd
Enola

Brandt's Custom Builders

Paradise rd.
Duncannon

Brandt's Landscaping Inc

PO Box 364
Palmyra

BRICK POINT CONSTRUCTION

596 Middle Creek Rd
Fairfield

C.A.R.E Property Services

1235 Abbottstown Pike
Hanover

CG's Contracting

32 Sawmill Road
Wernersville

CJ's Excavation

5909 Jacobs Ave
Harrisburg

Clear View Homes & Remodeling

399 N 39 St
Harrisburg

COMMONWEALTH CONCRETE CO

1 BONNYWICK DR
Harrisburg

Cory Harner Removal

160 Fort Hunter Rd
Harrisburg

David LeRoy Plumbing Inc

539 Old York Rd
New Cumberland

Diversified Enterprises

940 700rd
New Oxford

DL BURKETT CONSTRUCTION INC

2555 RIVER RD
Bainbridge

DNM Contracting, INC

7389 Paxton St
Harrisburg

DRAIN DOCTORS

8 CEDAR CLIFF DR
Camp Hill

Earthtones Hardscape LLC

794 Nissel Lane
New Cumberland

English Excavating Inc

201 Briar Cliff Rd
Harrisburg

Epic Building Group LLC

75 Spring Lane Rd
Dillsburg

Fahnestock Excavating Inc

1440 N Colebrook Rd
Manheim

Farhat Excavating

160 Dividing Ridge Rd

First Impressions Total Services

P.O. Box 4706
Harrisburg

Five Star Contracting llc.

3825 Bonnymeade Circle
Harrisburg

Five Star Contracting llc.

507 Market Street
New Cumberland

Four Phase Construction

274 Hillcrest Road
Camp Hill

Gary L Templin Jr. Excavating & Trucking, LLC

1829 Mapledale Road
Elizabethtown

GD Landscaping and Carpentry

1678 N. 7th St
Lebanon

Geo W Strevig & Sons Inc

815 W King St.
Littlestown

Giovanni's construction

214 s Lincoln ave
Lebanon

Grimwood Masonry & Hardscapes, Inc.

128 Willow Lake Drive
Carlisle

Groundscape Excavation

Quarryville
Quarryville

GUNDY EXCAVATING

705 MANADA BOTTOM RD
Harrisburg

Haldeman Landscape, LLC

1408 State Rd.
Duncannon

HALL EXCAVATING

4511 HIGHLAND ST
Harrisburg

Hershey Surveying

325 Broad Street
East Earl

HOKE'S SEPTIC TANK SVC

440 STRAW HOLLOW RD
Harrisburg

Home Remedies Inc.

428 N. George Street
York

Hps

6981 Wertzvile Rd

Inovo Security, LLC

2335 Wilkes Rd
Lancaster

ITG Basement Systems

315 Point Township Dr
Northumberland

J Hubler Landscaping

202 Ridgeview Rd. N
Elizabethtown

J Mar Landscaping

2057 Seaks Run Rd
Glen Rock

JnD Construction

438 Barlow Greenmount Rd
Gettysburg

John Parichuk Paving LLC

25 Fox Meadow Dr.
Abbottstown

KENNETH FELTY

781 S 80TH ST
Harrisburg

KOSER BROTHERS CONTRACTING

120 NEWVILLE RD
Elizabethtown

L & W DEMOLITION CO INC

2224 PAXTON ST
Harrisburg

LEBANON VALLEY ASPHALT INC

10255 JONESTOWN RD
Grantville

LIBERTY EXCAVATORS INC

4402 GETTYSBURG RD
Camp Hill

LT Land & Tree

591 Strites Rd
Harrisburg

Madison Homes Group, Inc.

405 Bridge St.
New Cumberland

Madrigale Masonry LLC

602 El Hatco Drive
Temple

MAIN LINE EXCAVATING

2325 Paxton Church Rd
Harrisburg

Mako Management

5811 Jonestown Rd
Harrisburg

Maxim Contractors

10387 Jonestown Rd
Annville

Michael's Landscape

936 Hummel Ave
Lemoyne

morret construction

2 albert lane

Morrison Plumbing

5434 Beagle Rd
Elizabethtown

MOSES LANDSCAPE

105 PIKETOWN RD
Harrisburg

MOSEY LANDSCAPES INC

105 PIKETOWN ROAD
Harrisburg

Mosher Services

100 Holbrook St
Harrisburg

N. L. Minich & Sons, Inc.

211 N Middleton Rd.
Carlisle

Parvin Paving Sealing

145 Salem Church Rd
Mechanicsburg

Pawling Masonry Inc

1299 Kinderhook Rd
Columbia

PENNSYLVANIA REMODELERS

911 BRADFORD RD
Harrisburg

PRECISION PAVING

800 TORWAY RD
Gardners

ProLawn

601 Bucks Valley Rd
Newport

Quality Lawn Works Inc

211 N Middleton Rd
Carlisle

R A WAGNER EXCAVATING

8400 ALLENTOWN BLVD
Harrisburg

R.D. Hyre Hauling & Excavating LLC

6321 Mountain Road
Dover

RDS PAVING & SEALCOATING

22 CHESTNUT RUN
Elizabethtown

Restuccia Excavating, Inc.

55 Dallas Dr
Dallastown

Robert W Strausser & Son, Inc.

295 Manada Bottom Road
Grantville

RTR CONTRACTORS INC

6740 ALLENTOWN BLVD
Harrisburg

Ruell's Lawn Care, LLC

403 Deerfield Rd
Camp Hill

S&G Homes, Inc

5525 Locust Lane
Harrisburg

SAS Excavating

10 Coon Creek Rd
Palmyra

Scott's Remodeling, LLC

439 Elder Trail
New Cumberland

Service Line Warranties of America

11 Grandview Cir
Canonsburg

SM Johns & Son Construction

1021 Anderson Ferry Rd
Mount Joy

Sneeringer Excavating & Demolition

2800 PLEASANT HILL RD
Hanover

SQUARE ONE PAVING INC

373 Wheatfield St
York

Sullivan Nursery & Landscaping

881 Abbottstown Pike
Hanover

T & N Excavating LLC

1380 Cly Rd
York Haven

Taylor Contracting

19 Burns RD
Spring Grove

Team Lewis Landscaping

PO Box 334
Harrisburg

TW Paving

210 harvest drive
York

Value Dry

154 Hansen Access Rd
King Of Prussia

W F LUTTRELL EXCAVATING

734 SCHWANGER RD
Elizabethtown

Weaver Companies Inc

4873 Division Hwy
East Earl

Wherley's Backhoe Excavation

3072 Pine Tree Rd
Spring Grove

William Penn Renovation Co

259 Burn Hill Rd
Shermans Dale

Wirt Construction

P.O. Box 156
Etters

York County Mobile Homes Inc.

2777 Myers rd.
Spring Grove

Zooks Home Improvements

1034 Furnace Rd
Morgantown

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