Watch Out for These 5 Roofing Scams

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Patti

Subject: Roofers

Is it normal practice for roofer to use my electricity

Doug van auken

Subject: Homeowner liability for roofing falls

I had my roof replaced two years ago . I asked the contractor specifically if the workers would use harnesses to protect themselves from Falls . He said they always do that. I came home to see 15 Mexican men on the roof. They were good at the working process and the roof was done quickly -------but No safety harnesses or safety belt was on any worker at all . One white young man was clearly inexperienced and petrified.
If there is a workman fall off a rooof is the homeowner responsible in anyway?

Ed Ferris

Subject: You sure are. They're

You sure are. They're working for you, so you pay their hospital bills. If the contractor has insurance, either private or workman's compensation, that will pay first. So you have to make sure before you sign anything that he does have enough insurance.

denise savage

Subject: bad business lady

A year ago, I found a roofer to replace my roof because of water damage. My insurance company approved the replacement, and issued a check for over $5,000 for the1/3 of the process. The contractor has yet did any work on my roof. Many excuses has been made: the weather, the Forman died, and there were other jobs to complete before mine, and eventually ,they would get to my roof. I have been more than patient with waiting for the replacement to happen. Last communications, I asked for the money back, so that I could find another roofer. Still haven't heard from roofer concerning this matter. Is there any recourse for this?

jason

Subject: roofing

File charges for theft by not making proper disposition of funds received. Then sue

Mr.B

Subject: Roofing Scam

Proffesional looking "DC roofing" truck took me for $6,000.00. Guadalupe County TX. Anyone else fall prey?

Anne Kubicki

Subject: Dishonest roofer

Roofer telling everyone living in a townhome area that they need new roofs and it won't cost them a thing. No talk of repair. State they work with insurance companies who will pay because hail is "act of God". Told me they will pay my deductible and roof is free. Many elderly living in this area. Four home currently have signs advertising for this company in front of their homes. I haven't signed anything but neighbor with connecting roof has. Being pressured by townhome association. This smells like a scam to me. Filed complaint with BBB. What else can I do?

Ryan

Subject: Why would you file a complaint?

This is simple. Don't sign anything till the insurance company has came out and approved the roof. Roofers can be dishonest but insurance company's can be too.

I've had insurance company's try and talk homeowners out of using me to put a new roof on because they know I'll push to get the homeowner what they deserve. For example State Farm won't pay for pipe boots, metal valleys, box vents, ridge cap and two rows of ice and water shield (12/12 pitch) on eaves, even though that's what's on the original roof that's being replaced. They expect me to just eat that cost? I will not go back with woven valleys if the homeowners originally had painted metal valleys (feels wrong to me). They will try and pay $15,000 for a $20,000 roof. The roofers they suggest are the ones who won't fight to replace what the homeowners originally had and will just take to fist number ofered resulting in cheaper roof than the homeowners originally had.

You need a roofer to make sure the insurance company doesn't doesn't pull a fast one on you and say the roof is fine when it's really not. Dont pay the roofer anything till the roof has been replaced. Any reputable roofer should have credit lines for material and won't need anything upfront to start the job due to the insurance company floating the bill. The roofer knows the money is there. I'll tell my homeowners not to pay me till the job is done, but most just end up paying me the first check during the build on the first day when all of the materials have been dropped off and the crew is in the process of putting the new roof on.

erin

Subject: fired roofer, no itemized bill, just a mechanical lean, unfinish

what should be my next step to hold the roofing company accountable. I still haven't received anything other than a mechanical lien on my property. I sent a certified letter before I received the lien notice firing the company for 7 different difficiencies in the repair of the roof. NOW WINTER HAS ARRIVED, AND my entire perimeter of my roof has 3 ft ice sickles surrounding the perimeter of the roof. Why would this occur?

Richard Jeziorski

Subject: Dishonest Roofer

Wow....Is all I can say. I own and operate a roofing company in the suburbs of Chicago, doing around 100 roofs a year for the past 10 years. I have managed to maintain an outstanding reputation. This is so dis-hearting to hear. When you are choosing a roofing company three things you should do. Search them on the internet both the company and the representative. If you can not find anything about either one STAY A WAY, and if you find anything negative STAY A WAY. Check with your city to see if they have worked there before, references should be available, but in most cases when you do a roof for someone once your done and there are no issues they tend to forget about you. People also move about every 7 to 9 years so some people are no longer available for references. Most states have licenses for contractors make sure it current and no complaints against it. Your deposit is usually required, but a honest contractor may except a small amount to sell the deal like $500 or $1000 to seal the deal and the balance of the deposit when they are working on the job. Never release final payment until you are satisfied with the work being preformed. Clean up can be difficult when the grass is long and you have a lot of landscaping so cut your grass before they arrive to replace the roof. Most roofers will tarp porches, patio's, and heavily landscaped areas. Remember we are human but you will know if they clean up is good. I personally walk every job I sell the day after and comb the grounds to make sure it's clean. As the salesmen that is your promise to your customer. As an owner it's my reputation and possible a future sale at stake! One more thing HAIL DAMAGE this is real, but don't just go with the guy walking through your neighborhood with a bunch of signs in the yards. They put those there most of the time before they are even doing work. CHECK OUT YOUR THE COMPANY AND THE SALESMEN by searching them on the internet you maybe very surprised at what you almost made a huge mistake. One more thing in most states contracts are not binding if there was no money exchanged or if your unsure of the contract. So if you feel you are being pressured to do the work, sit back relax and know that your in-control and that if you call the BBB or states attorney's office they will most likely run with their tail between their legs. I do not have a cancelation fee if you decide to cancel after I helped you with an insurance claim. Why? you may ask is simple if you don't want me to do the work then I didn't do my job right and you were not comfortable with me as a salesmen . That's it good luck with your projects. Richard E. Jeziorski Schaumburg Illinois

christopher

Subject: va roofer

I would just like to say what I read is awsome and so true I love to put my customers first and be there to help not leave out to dry.Its awful these costomers or homeowners get done so wrong good investigation on who you choose is key for shure

Ani

Subject: I wish this was true

You stated:

"One more thing in most states contracts are not binding if there was no money exchanged or if your unsure of the contract. So if you feel you are being pressured to do the work, sit back relax and know that your in-control and that if you call the BBB or states attorney's office they will most likely run with their tail between their legs. "

I hired a real estate agent to sell my house. He gave me an estimate by a construction company to sign so that he can renovate the house to sell for a higher price. I signed the estimate which says it's only valid for 30 days. The construction company destroyed the renovation project with poor quality material and work. Then they sent an invoice for over 20k. Then they placed a lien on my house. All without ever speaking to me aside from asking me for money. I just found your comment today and it struck me as crazy because I did exactly what you said. I filed a complaint with the BBB. You want to know what happened? I got sued. I have a lien on my house and I'm being sued.

I am a freshman at college, and I am being sued for a house that I am trying to get rid of. Maybe I should just call the states attorney office next.

Richard Rideout

Subject: dishonest roofing co.

walls sheet metal, full of lies and short cuts, never get what you pay for, worked there saw houses not papered , wrong paint on metal roofs, many many flaws, not a trustworthy company

Lisa

Subject: Roofing job

Bought a new construction home about 16 months ago. Home inspector asked about flashing around dormers since he didn't see any. Was told by contractor that it was hidden where u couldn't see it on these new homes. Have had leaks around one dormer, roof shingles not laying down and hole in roof where roof meets brick. Now having to get this new roof repaired out of our own pocket. Buyer beware!

Assuredqualityconstruction.net

Subject: shoddy roofers

Make sure you understand manufacturers warranties.They don't guaranty shingle over shingle.Ask your contractor exactly how the installation process goes.EXACTLY!!!Then read the manufacturers specs on the package of shingles that are to be installed.There are different methods for different shingles.This will also void warranty.Most state laws require a one year workmanship warranty.Demand a longer warranty!!!If they have confidence in their work,this wont be a problem and they will be sure to do a great job.My warranty is TEN YEARS.I'M CONFIDENT IN MY ROOFS,THEY SHOULD BE TOO!!!!!

Henri Herring

Subject: new gable roof

I just had a new roof installed over one layer of existing roofing on a regular gable roof. I have water dripping from the edges of the end of my house it is just a drip but I think there should have been a flashing put on the edges. This is an insurance job from hail damage.
I am not sure what to do or if I should ignore this situation ????
Thanks

Gene Andrews

Subject: Roof layover

I worked for a very reputable and respected national storm damage restoration co. I have to tell you that because you tried to cheat your insurance company by doing a layover when I am sure that they paid to remove all the roofing you got what you deserved. The company that you hired did what you wanted "A CHEAP JOB"so that you could avoid either paying your deductable or to profit from an insurance claim. Either way what you and the roofer have done is commit insurance fraud! So the old adage fits: You get what you pay for or don't pay for.

Erin

Subject: New Gable Room

Call your insurance agency... they are the ones who are most interested in that being done correctly. The insurance inspector should come back out and check it and get it fixed.

Kondo Kev

Subject: A trustworthy roofer, are there any left ?

Before hiring a roofer, or anyone & I mean anyone who's going to do any kind/type of "Home Improvements" to your home ALWAYS ASK them for 5 references of their previous jobs they've done recently. Not 15 years ago, at least 5 more recent jobs they completed. Make sure you have in your possession : the persons' name, their address & most importantly, their phone number ,so you can call them directly to check & see if the work that was done by the company you plan on hiring did a good job, & that they were satisfied. Also, a good thing to remember too is ask them if they cleaned up after "ALL" the work was completed.
If you follow this simple set of questions to ask, you're going to be a happy customer with a happy homeowner inside your home,knowing your Home Improvement really was one !!!

Will

Subject: Referrals

Would you want your roofer giving out your name, number and address to his many "potential" customers so they can call you and grill you on the quality of the work done? Most people wouldn't want that. Plus, if you don't trust him and need references, why would you trust that they were real customers?

Handy1

Subject: Roofer Scams

Get some knowledge before hand; about the materials to be used and the installation process. You should always ask the roofer for a sample of the roofing material they will be installing. Make sure that it is the product you specified for the job. Make sure that product brought to the job is that product they install on the roof. If possible watch to see if it is installed correctly.
Saddly; I was not able to be present when my mother had her roof installed. And I later found that the !*&%#$^ roofer installed modified bituman roofing instead of the specified EPDM rubber membrane roofing material.
It won't last 1/3 the time that of a guaranteed EPDM rubber roof would. PVC roof material would even be better.

william seuffert

Subject: shrinking deductable

I had a high sales pressure team come when we had some storm damage. The neighbor went with this company and they did do a good job. how ever they put on my contract that if the insurance approves my claim they get the job. also on the contract they put down that the price would be LCV. They say I owe them 750.00 which is half my deductible but it is not written down any place. I am disabled and on SSDI I told them I could not afford the deductible and they said no problem don't let it worry you. I should have not gone with them any way now what I can't afford them money what can I do?

Dan Pitts

Subject: Deductible

The deductible is the customer's responsibility, and you need to pay it for two reasons:
1) That is the agreement one has between them and their insurance company, and in order for you to receive the recoverable depreciation check (holdback), one must prove to the insurance carrier what was spent. If you pay less, then the insurance company should and most likely will reduce the recoverable depreciation check by the amount the roof was discounted. Many people circumvent this by falsifying an invoice for insurance purposes. There is a name for that. It's called insurance fraud.
2). Insurance companies typically value property loss damages by utilizing a pricing database which is updated monthly, and is customized for your local market. Most often it is a program published by Xactware called Xactimate. This program is designed to allow a fair market overhead and profit for your contractor. If he discounts your roof, do you really believe that there are sufficient funds left over to do the job correctly? If so, why don't you keep all the money and just higher a fairy to replace your roof since you are already dillousional.

Insurance companies are not in the business of overpaying for damages. They are there to get the customer back in a condition before the loss was not incurred. Not a penny more.

Paulette Armandi

Subject: Roof scam

Boy oh boy, we did hire a door to door salesmen and storm chasers to boot. Bad decision which is too late now. Our insurance company agreed there was some storm damage. The roofing company is A- accredited with BBB, we called references given in our area. The roof looks sloppy along flashings joining levels of house. In lieu of replacing warped plywood they shingled over it!! Gutters bent and not fixed. Told by the roofer that the proper hardware was not used on the gutter when installed. I doubt it but! Oh, there was rain the second day of roofing and tarps were not properly placed on the non shingled portion so there are now water stains in the kitchen. Pictures have been taken of all areas. The company has not received payment yet. We are getting a second opinion as to what needs to be done. Salesman is fast talking and talks down to females.Thanks for listening.

anthony

Subject: knowing whats what

when i am giving a estimate on top of a roof were a customer can not see i take pictures so they can see what i do

joyce kuruce

Subject: Dishonest roofer

I hired a roofer from Sheraden, PA (4 years ago) and knew something was wrong when I asked where the flashing was for the front of the dormers and they cut a piece of ridge board shingle and stuffed it under the front of my dormers. Well, I had major water damage in LR & DR and no response from them to repair. A year later I had another roofer on the roof to check my chimney, and he found the old red and white shingles were still on the rear bathroom dormer!!!!! I am a senior living in my family home, so they knew I would never go on the roof. No phone number for this company, all numbers I had were non-working, but they came back to my neighbors house this year and I approached the owner in late April 2012 told him the bathroom needs done, he claims it was a bad employee who is no longer in their employ, and would correct ASAP. NO RESPONSE SINCE END OF APRIL. How can they have a good review on Angies list? They have an F on BBB. I have had my neighbor talk to them (they do jobs for him for his apts.) and still no response to me, a woman, What should I do?

Terri Ripple

Subject: roofer

I just had a roofer give me a very reasonable quote from Sheradan PA a father and son. Was your situation a company or private?

Patty Andres

Subject: Dishonest Roofer

Small Claims Court - Civil Procedure. You may be able to do this without a lawyer. Make sure you are not asking for more money than the maxium amount allowed for small claims court - or it will be thrown out. Expect to pay up to $150 for filing fee & court costs. In my opinion, you HAVE to do this - to keep this creep from preying on other elderly people like yourself. Also, you have his name & address - since your neighbor continues to use him. So it's not like he has skipped town & can't be found. Stand up for yourself.

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I second the original question (still unanswered). Speaking as someone who logged in today to try to find an attorney, I see this category as one that's exactly what I have my Angie's List membership for:

1. It's important that I find a good one
2. I'm not an expert enough to know myself who is a good one
3. The industry is full of advertisements and misinformation
4. I wish I knew what experiences other people have had


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I don't care about lawns--I planted mine in clover and don't have to mow it. When I do need to mow I use a rotary Fiskars mower, which is great--or a scythe. That's right--a scythe (the European type, which is smaller, and it's very good exercise). Gas-powered mowers, chemical fertilizers and weed killers--all nasty stuff that gets into everyone's air, soil, and water. I'm sure my neighbor doesn't like my wildflowers, semi-wild pockets of fruit bushes, and unmown areas and yes, dandelions (I have 10 acres) but that's too bad. It's better habitat for wildlife, especially the pollinators on which our food supply depends. I think this obsession with the Great American Lawn is a waste of time and resources. Plant some food instead.


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I'm not sure Angie et. al. want you to have a complete answer to this question. By re-subscribing at the Indiana State Fair in 2012, I think I paid $20.00 per year for a multi- year subscription. Maybe even less. At the other extreme--and I hope my memory isn't faulty about this--I think the price, for my area, for ONE year was an outrageous $70.00. And they debited me automatically without warning. I had to opt out of that automatic charge. I like Angie's List, but if some of the companies they monitor behaved the way they do in this respect, they'd be on some sort of Pages of Unhappiness. I'll be interested to see if this comment gets published or censored out of existence.
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That's very difficult to answer without seeing the house. As one poster said, the prep is the most important part. On newer homes that don't have a lot of peeling paint, the prep can be very minimal even as low as a couple or a few hundred dollars for the prep labor.

On a 100 year old home with 12 coats of peeling paint on it, then the prep costs can be very high and can easily exceed 50% of the job's labor cost.

A 2100 sq ft two story home could easily cost $1000 just for the labor to prep for the paint job. That number could climb too. Throw in lots of caullking  or window glazing, and you could be talking a couple or a few hundred dollars more for labor.

Painting that home with one coat of paint and a different color on the trim could run roughly $1000 or more just for labor. Add a second coat  and that could cost close to another $1000 for labor.

For paint, you may need 20 gallons of paint. You can pay from $30-$70 for a gallon of good quality exterior paint. The manufacturer of the paint should be specified in any painting contract. Otherwise, the contractor could bid at a Sherwin-Williams $60 per gallon paint and then paint the house with $35 Valspar and pocket the difference. $25 dollars per gallon times 20 gallons? That's a pretty penny too.

That was the long answer to your question. The short answer is $2000 to $4000 and up, depending upon the amount of prep, the number of coats, the amount of trim, and the paint used.