Roofing Scams: The Door-to-Door Salesman

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Chris Sherrod

Subject: Laughing so hard

I can't believe all of the comments about this article not being founded and how honest those "free roof inspection" salesman are. I have neighborhood/family friends who literally made millions from the exact scan described here- as a matter of fact one of them is now in prison.


Subject: Sorry to hear

I have worked for 5 companies selling roofs door to door. All of them highly respected and not at all a scam. It takes many roofers to repair a large storm. So they travel and knock companies are glad the good ones are there to fix all of the damage they are paying for in the first place. Yes my company does 4 million per year at a low....that's normal for a company and its not all profit. We work hard for it....and our reputation is how We do it. We knock doors every day. I might knock yours...see you soon!


Subject: 10 years adjusting

I've been an adjuster here in Chicago for the past few years, Ohio for 7. I've dealt with maybe north of 5-8k contractors on claims, most of which got the job by knocking on doors because it's usually a hail storm. I worked in NJ for Sandy: just the same. Now for the nitty gritty in my experience:

I'd say 99% of them are honest, actually more. Know how I know? Because I issue the depreciation payment when it's complete and verify with either the homeowner or going out on site that the work is complete. In probably 1 out of 400 there's an issue.

I don't know why they would publish this article like this, there's an agenda, but I can't figure out what. If you step in my shoes, you'd know to be glad contractors come from out of state. I worked Sandy for 2 six month deployments and STILL they hadn't finished rebuilding. It would take 10 years if only locals were involved. Not feasible.


Subject: Project manager here

I'm glad a lot of people that do this for a living commented on here. Or else this post would be accurate only because nobody in the field commented. That being said ive door to doored for years and we are the largest in the Dfw area doing 20-25 a day. New roofs and reroofs. We pride ourselves on being the best and provide a warranty 5 years and honor it all the time. We also make sure the home owner is on board with everything we do. So don't be so quick to point the finger at the company's when you probably have no idea what your talking about. The adjuster that just commented I would listen to more than any of us. I've worked Chicago in 2012-13 and came here in 2016.


Subject: Right on!

I am an ex adjuster turned roof salesman. Thank you. You get it! It's one hand washes the other...and you obviously understand that a great sales guy with a great company help the homeowners in what could be a difficult process for them. Thanks for your comment here.


Subject: The real truth

I am a roofing salesman, and proud of it. Yes, the roofing business has bad apples but not every roofing salesman wants to scam you. I do free roof inspections and there are plenty of times that I find absolutely no damage and I let the home ownerr know. It's all about integrity. I do work with the insurance company and the fact is we can get your roof paid for, or at least a portion of it.. If you have the right policy. This article generalizes and makes every roof salesman out to be a crook! Newsflash, people need roofs and there need to be people to supply it.. What are supposed to do? Sit around the office all day and wait for someone to come in?? No! You find business. The golden rule for me is.. If it's not broken.. Don't fix it.

Kay D

Subject: Scammed by Door Knockers

Yes, I hate to admit it but this happened to us by Columbia Basin Exteriors in Bend, OR. They were hard sales from the minute I opened the door and every contact was with a different owner. They gave us an estimate then tried billing our insurance $2500. more than the estimate. They refused to provide us with lien releases upon finishing the job. Their trailer spilled oil on our new driveway, then they power washed it and cut grooves in our driveway ruining it. They disappeared and ignored all our efforts to contact them. We got an estimate for the damage to our driveway, over $4600.00 and now we have to sue them to get out driveway fixed. Angie's list is correct, hire a professional not a door knocker. You never know what you are going to get with these fly by night companies. Oh, we also tried to file against their insurance off the Certificate of Liability they gave us only to find out they had no roofing insurance! Lesson learned for us...BEWARE of door knockers!

Daniel king

Subject: Door 2 door

I do not agree with this at all. I used to think that door 2 door sales was a scam a joke and so forth until I guess faith brought to the point of actually doing it. Scams are every where but let me tell you something not all door 2 door is a scam not all door to 2 door sale man are scoping houses. I know I am marketing manager/Canvass manger for a highly accredited company that actually has A + rating with the BBB super service award for the last 4 years running and actually has A rating right here on Angie's list. When it truly boils down to it do your homework don't look at somebody as a scam just because they knocked on your door. If someone truly takes pride into what they do and make an honest living who is anyone to judge so people are so focused on the negatives that they are missing out on so many opportunities that may have been good. Now I am not saying that there are not door 2 door sales that are scams because there are but there are sham car lots, attorneys, Doctor politicians some of the largest company's in the world are scams for the fact some insurance company and in the state of Ohio you pay premiums for acts of God and by law no insurance company can drop you for that. Or deny your roof if in fact you have damage so in the end do your homework on everything and do not pre judge any thing just use commen sense. A negative mind set will never produce positive results so if you are always looking for the worst you will get the worst expect the best get the best

Jimmy Whidden

Subject: Door to door roofing sales

This article makes Angie's list looks bad. I cannot believe they thought this was a well written piece. Shameful. Just goes to the truth that you absolutely cannot believe all that is writen on the internet.

Mrs. Wood

Subject: Door to Door roofer October 28,2015.

Someone rang my door bell around 3:00pm. I thought was UPS or Fed Ex. They do that here in Texas. Nope, Open door & some gal that looked like a brat doll standing there. Started her spill right off the bat. Saw clip board was to big, it said in rainbow letters on scanned page Craftsmanship. Never heard of the company. She said if your the home owner we work with insurance companies so their is no out of pocket cost to you. Red Flag I know better. I told her gal whom you think the insurance company gets the cash from the money tree? The home owner. Get off my property & get to steppin.

I called & walked to neighbors that were home & warned them. Thought the gal got in truck & peeled rubber. Nope 30 minutes later she was back.

Came back inside & waited. Daughter came over & she been her 3 hours while I was working on my car scoping out the the houses. I said oh really.

I took back out side. She walking down side walk. I waited & told neighbors if I don't get it one of you do. Her plate number. Seen these scam artist before. They scope out a neighborhood with hardly anyone home. Hit a few houses looking like they are selling roofing contracts then have others come back later to rob your house.

They got guts. Yeah we are watching homes on this block right now. She hit one house that folks don't speak English. Rest around here no the score.

Watch close whom is coming door to door. She tried to argue with me & that got her no where. Next it;s gonna be jail time I get her plate.


Subject: Bad Complaint

You said first that she was a scam with no out of pocket cost, there is always out of pocket, it's the premium you paid, t b ere is no such thing as a money tree, it's your paycheck. The second complaint is why do you have a problem with people that clearly are not scared of you? A salesman starts early and sometimes w o tks just past dark, or later if it's a requirement, and in work progress. The third complaint is why do you believe that a salesman does not have regular bills to pay. The fourth complaint is knowing if they are a worthy suspect, and actually a thief like you proposed, you could be sued in civil court for slander. The sixth complaint is following all facts within reason, and do you own a gun?



What is a resonable finders fee for the salesman who only recommended a lawyer and made copies and faxed paperwork to the lawyer?


Subject: insurance approved roofs

I have to say I don't agree with the heading of this page cuz as far as I know I can say yes some are doing it to scam but in all reality it's being little norrow mined to think all salesman that go door to door are dishonest that is not true. If you can't find them on Internet and are not from the same state then ask questions and if they say that you don't have to pay anything then it's a red flag you as a homeowner agreed to pay for the deductible when you got homeowners insurance. I would like to see a page that tells you how to decide weather it's a scam or not instead of stero ttyping that all door to door sales is dishonest


Subject: Make your own Decesion

Knocking Door 2 Door, not the easiest i will tell you this. Reason if you have back problems. I love conversation and educating people. Be honest in the end there two ways scam. One big scam is when you have damage and your insurance DO NOT HESITATE TO COVER, or some rule they make to make hard for consumer to understand what they are cover for or what they are not and then big scam that if you promised to pay and then you raising homeowner insurance and what i uncover homeowner sometimes is afraid to put a claim, because they will have to spent more years ahead. Different side of the coin, You have person who did knocked and presented damage of hail, whether is tiny hail damage or hail that went thru the roof. Question for you homeowner would you rather have small damage and if its possible get full replacement on the roof, when you can fix the problem before leakage or you rather wait till it really hits where you cant occupy your house anymore. SCAM? Its just business one taking it from another party, while one side more on consumer, because they in that position of business. The only one thing hurts for anyone who is respectful, educating customers what happens who makes suggestion in all honesty and respect. By giving enough information, homeowner who in the end is a SCAMMER too, now he is in business and wants part of the proceeds to under cut someone who just helped him. Meaning cutting on deductible, trying save insurance money that person who knocked got it and in the end going with cheap contractor who does not deserve it! That is why you have to bring harsh reality to homeowner and be rude with insurance and protect your values and dont care about the influence other party trying to make you consume it, so you believe them. I have seen it all. Everyone is usually for the money, not for a good deed, or i am trying to help this homeowner, or insurance to protect your home from damages that potentially can save you money. Yes, but in the end its the Money and we all fighting for it, and when people under cut you, or other business under cut you, you cant be fluffy, you have to be sharp as a knife to make progress and make money in the end. Working too hard as it is rather dont work at all and be the ones who always trying cut other business off the small companies that trying to do what is right and they local. They are craving for business but do they have enough knowledge? That is why big companies with huge reputation that is measured more good than bad and than its okay because you probably will have good experience or they have enough money to fix a problem if they made it themselves and they do not care if you have money for deductible or you do. They go by the rules and only people in business know that as long you go by the rules take the BIOS out of the picture. If sales people pushing you too hard and you dont feel comfortable that means they are not your friend, and reason you dont listen people who love you anyways. Someone have to make a decision for you and if you are not honest you will sell it to newbies, and people who has heart and soul and doesnt just do it for money but love of help to others are respected folks and they in that business for long and they are okay even if you cut them off. In the end Its a circle of karma, you screw your contractor, insurance will screw you or contractor will screw you and you screw insurance and insurance will screw you and your contractor. It can go any way. My last suggestion, have enough or make friends in every aspect in life what you need. Example, if you had friend who is contractor you will go to him and he will give you best advice, if you have financial question make sure you have a friend who works at the bank so they can give you best advice so you are not pressured into buying but able to make a decision, if you driving a car, make a friend who is mechanic, and paying good too so he makes the best and you can trust. You all havent realized that friends are good, not the ones you can party with but when you have legitimate problem and you need honest opinion or answer and you will give your business to that person not someone else. That is how you can market yourself too, if you are great at something. Anyways just go back to your normal living life and remember KARMA doesnt forgives it gives what you earned!

Josh Montgomery

Subject: There are scammers everywhere

I have been dealing with insurance restoration work for a long time, and I think I have seen just about everything you could imagine. I have seen good roofing companies go under because a couple dishonest salesmen. One of which I worked for. With no quality control present in most of these roofing companies even the most honest and reputable company could inadvertently hire a dishonest damage creating salesperson. With that being said I once inspected a homeowners roof which was marginal and I told them we probably only get a repair (by the way I'm from Texas and I don't think replacement is warranted on all claims). Anyways when I showed up for the adjusters meeting there was a lot more damage than I had originally seen. I immediately told the adjuster that I would not be assisting the homeowner with his claim and I would not be assisting that homeowner any longer. Another unrelated claim I was helping a landlord with one of their properties when the adjuster turned to me and said we were two shingles away from the amount of wind damage needed to replace the roof. I then told the adjuster well I guess we are doing a repair then. He proceeded to tell me like hell we are and tore two shingles off himself.

Tim T.

Subject: Door-to-Door Storm roofing sales

Greetings, in 2010 I worked for a roofing contractor (so called storm chasers) and here is what I found. The hail damage was in Mesa, Az. That area was truly pelted with hail. My job was to go down a street knocking on every door and offer to assit the home owner get a new roof if they had roof damage. Most home owners did not think they had any or enough damage that their insurace company would replace their roof. I would get on the roof, take pictures of any and all damage and show them what I had found. We would call their insurance company and request them send their adjuster out for his review. I would meet the adjuster at the appointed time and show him the damage that I had found. THE ADJUSTER MAKES THE CALL, NOT THE HOME OWNER OR THE SALESPERSON! If the insurance company buys them a new roof at that point I would collect the deductable from the customer, when our company dropped the material in their yard to build the job I would collect 50% of the money the insurance company paid for the repair and when job was completed I collected the other 50% of the insurance payemnt. Most people that I was able to get a new roof for would have never made a claim. I know I helped many, many people get what was coming from their insurance company mainly because I ASK FOR THE ADJUSTER TO COME AND LOOK AT THE ROOF. I know their are scammers out their but the company I worked for and me myself we 1000% straight up. We simply assisted the home owner. Just for the record.


Subject: Thank you for sharing this

Thank you for sharing this information with consumers I also work for a family owned business in Ohio and we do exactly what you stated! We know a horrible company that would take the ACV check and never come out again. The great news with that company is he is now on the news for fraud!

Larry Ingold

Subject: The article misleading

Its almost like racial profiling. To say that all salesmen are scamming professionals is irresponsible. I make a living going door to door and I help people get new roofs. I do not submit false claims and I cant force an insurance company to pay for damage that does not exist. I have never taken a dime from a customer other than deductible and have only had a few roofs that the insurance company and our company did not agree on damage and the customer gave up. What I have seen more of is insurance companies treating a roof like its a pair of jeans expecting people to be happy with a patch job leaving the pride and joy of home ownership looking like an old pair of jeans. I fight for consumers and win most battles when I find insurance companies only paid for part of a roof when there was much more damage and upon re-inspection...they paid for the whole roof, and why did they pay the second time...because there was a door to door salesman looking out for the best interest of the householder. My guess is a weak roofing company paid for this article to be written. In the end there are scammers out there and roofers that do crooked things like promise cash back on an insurance claim or say no deductible ( fraud, the deductible must be paid on a claim ). If anyone would like a list of all my customers 80% were made door to door....ask them if I am a crook!


Subject: Quit associating D2D with scams

90% of my business comes from aboveboard, free inspections. This blog does more than protect homeowners from scam artists. It takes a bias that ANYONE going door to door, is a scam artist! Just because you're too lazy to go drum up business, doesn't mean that hard working American's that aren't too lazy, should have the odds against them before they even start. D2D is the oldest sales strategy in existence. There's absolutety nothing wrong with it. Quite the contrary. Wake up!


Subject: d2d

totally agree here.. d2d isn't scamming and are those not being lazy.


Subject: roof claims

I'm an insurance claim rep in NJ. I see these roofing companies all the time since the storm. I think they ran out of legitimate claims and are now waiting for the next serious storm to go chase. Sometimes there is severe damage to the roof requiring replacement after a bad storm. There are also many times when the roof has minor damage and is repairable or only has damage to one slope. The door to door type of guys and girls from Texas only seem to think replacing the entire roof is possible. The are trained to argue anything contrary to full replacement. I have never seen them propose a repair which in my mind makes them dishonest. They make money with each sale so they have a real financial incentive to lie or to make false damage and to put down the evil insurance company. They'll tell you they know how to deal with insurance companies, yeah right. I'd rather deal with a local any day. For the most part the locals are honest and will be around for more than a few months. Insurance is not a maintenance policy. Homeowners are responsible to keep things in good condition. That means an expensive roof needs replacement every 25 years or so. Everyone pays for insurance fraud. Please don't blame higher insurance rates on insurers when you can clearly see the attitudes about ripping off insurance companies. Many think that's ok.
Insurance companies are not evil and it should not be considered OK to profit from a claim. Some under cover operations have caught a few of these companies in the act of causing damage to houses and then presenting it as storm damage. With all the cameras in the world I bet this happens more often.
Some out of state roofers make deals with existing NJ contractors to use their license. They give the NJ contractor a cut for using the lic #. I'm sure this goes on everywhere there is a storm.
If someone with an out of state accent shows up at your door I'd worry about a few things. First is this guy going to be there in a year, NO. Why would he care about doing a good job if he isn't going to be around when it starts to fail. An incorrectly installed piece of flashing or nails not being placed correctly show up later when the roof is tested in severe weather. The roof can look great but can have some problems that will be expensive to repair down the road if it isn't installed correctly.
Also, why do you want your money to go out of state. I'd much rather see a local contractor be paid for a job and help the local economy.


Subject: Big storms

The last hail storm I worked had 28 thousand houses hit with 2" hail...leaks everywhere....all local companies banding together couldn't put a dent in the amount of roofs replaced. You don't want a house trapped over for 6 months waiting on a local...our traveling crews did a better job than most of the locals anyway. Rarely did we have a leak and if we did we paid local roofers to handle our warranty work...pretty standard stuff.

Teresa Wakefield, Guaranteed Roofing and Construction

Subject: Storm chasers

So sorry that you have had to work with a couple of bad apples from Texas. I think your assessment of "storm chasers" is a little one-sided. When storms happen, a normal size town may not have enough local roofers to adequately and effectively complete all the repairs needed in a timely manor to keep further damage from destroying a home further, and storm chasers can fill that gap. Our company has two permanent offices, one in Texas and one in Missouri. We have the same toll free number for the last ten years. We may go to a storm to help homeowners, and make a profit as well, who doesn't like to make a living. Some of us also like to travel and meet new people, possibly for a new permanent office in the future. I believe most storm chasers go for this very reason. Our company is always grateful for storms at home so that we have more than enough to keep us busy at home, but we also have enough common sense to know we can't do it all. I think if most homeowners would do a little research before they make their choice, they should be safe from scammers. Our roofing inspectors would never ask for a roof replacement when a repair is all that is needed. We try to leave that to the insurance adjuster.
Please know that as with roofing storm chasers, there are also adjusters that have to go to the storm area too, and some of those folks are new, so occasionally a re-inspect is requested if we really see more damage than reported. If we say we know "how to deal with the insurance company", it means, we know how to turn in an invoice for depreciation, how to read a scope of work and make sure all the work is completed, etc., it does not actually mean we are trying to commit insurance fraud, lol.
As for when we leave an area that is really far from home, we contract with a local company for our warranty work. That way, any problems, complaints, or happy referrals can be sent to them. They get paid to make the contact, then whatever repair is needed if any is then contracted to them when their business may be slower. Win-Win.
Door to door folks, really, adjusters do not usually just go out to all their insured to inspect the homes for damage after a storm , do they? So, doesn't that fill a gap as well for the homeowner?
I know there are bad apples out there (bet they are not all from Texas), again, homeowners should do a little research on the contractor or company they are letting help them with their claim. A good contractor can be a lot of help to the adjuster.

C Tim Winkley

Subject: Disagree

I find it hard to believe that someone in the building industry finds it necessary to tear down someone else's building in order to make his own taller.

Build a bigger and better building.

You cannot whitewash the industry. You did help me though as I am in the roofing business. I am documenting your suggestions and presenting them to the home owner to help the home owner discern between the good and the bad.

There are scammers that go door to door. There are also scammers that use flamboyant advertising campaigns.

Most important in the process is helping the customer whether we benefit financially or not.


Subject: I am a project manager for a

I am a project manager for a small construction company and about 80% of our business is generated through targeting a storm damaged area and knocking on doors. The other 20% is mostly referrals and neighbors who call after we complete a job. The company I work for, and myself, are committed to providing outstanding workmanship, high-quality materials and exceptional customer service with each and every homeowner. We perform everything honestly and with integrity. My job isn't complete until each and every homeowner is completely satisfied.

I really get tired of reading the same old stereotypes about door-to-door salespeople being dishonest, law-breaking scam artists. Why would I waste my time sending out mailers and waiting for the the phone to ring? I provide a valuable service to homeowners in storm-damaged neighborhoods. I knock on doors so I can have a face-to-face conversations with potential customers. I possess the skills and knowledge to be able to educate the homeowner about their roof, the process of filing a homeowner's insurance claim and the benefit of having me handle to process for them from beginning to end.

I agree with all of the replies above. Many homeowners I've worked for are just like Nina. They don't know their insurance company will pay for wind and hail damage. They may not even know their roof has damage. They certainly don't have the knowledge or experience to be able to meet with insurance adjusters for the inspection. Insurance companies are tightening their belts. It is paramount to have a trained professional on the roof during the inspection. I will point out damage to each and every shingle, hail dings on every gutter and downspout, discuss the wind direction of the storm, etc. My customers always end up thanking me for knocking on their door, because I know how to save them a ton of money.

I know many people in this line of work and I have never heard of anyone creating intentional damage. Dishonest people exist in every industry, but they are the exception, not the rule. As Ricardo Sanchez points out, it is insulting to adjusters in the industry to propose they cannot detect intentional damage. It is glaringly obvious to anyone who inspects roofs regularly. Articles like this just make it more difficult for me to help people not to have to pay out of pocket when their insurance company is responsible for paying for catastrophes (acts of God.) Contractors who are hired to do these types of jobs and never even bother to assist the homeowner in filing a claim are doing them a great disservice.

People may wonder how this aspect of the business has gotten such a bad reputation. Here's an example: I was proactively working a storm damaged neighborhood. One street had just 14 house on it. My company had completed 7 jobs on this street, plus 2 more houses on the perpendicular streets at the end of the block. I filed a claim for the 8th house on the street. Homeowner was thrilled to be approved. I meet with her and her boyfriend to review the loss statement, pick out shingles and offer additional services and upgrades.

As I'm explaining the loss statement and writing the contract she "informs" me that her insurance company paid her deductible. I explain to her what the deductible is and show her that it has been deducted from the total claim paid. For whatever reason, she just could not understand the concept of a deductible or the simple math involved in in subtracting it from the total. She became irate and accused me of trying to "scam" her out of $500. She ended up breaking our legally binding agreement and started telling all her neighbors I was ripping people off. I knew this because I had created rapport with many of her neighbors and completed jobs for them. They liked me well enough to call me to warn me.

Legally, I could have taken her to court, put a lien on her house among other remedies. I didn't and won't. Why? Because I won't waste my time with people like that when I could invest my time in getting new business that appreciates what I do for them. Within about a month, both her neighbors had new roofs.

I've strayed from my point, but it's people like her who tarnish reputations of honest, hard-working people. They complain so frequently and loudly that every article writer in the country hears them. Just as scamming contractors are the minority, so are unreasonable homeowners, I'd like to see just one article of advise for homeowners about the legitimate contractors who target neighborhoods and go door to door. Be specific about the "extra viligance" they should practice. What questions they should ask, the research they should do and where to do it, how to understand why their insurance company only paid for what they lost and not for upgrades they want, etc.


Subject: Not a truthful article with subjective view point.

I had my roof done by a local company with a door to door approach. They actually had A+ rating on BBB and good reviews on Angie's list. There was some damage present on ourroof, but we were not aware of wind and hail type of damage that could be covered by insurance. I an very grateful to the salesman of that roofing company that knocked on my door and saved me thousands of dollars. And I agree with all the comments above. Instead of black marking hard working folks, they should get of their office chairs, start knocking on doors and try to help people.


Subject: Roofer Scam?

When was the last time an Insurance Company came and. said " hey your roof was damaged , let's get it fixed right away!" Never!!! the opposite is true.

Karen Allen

Subject: reply re to Scott on roofer scam

I can unequivocally state Scott's assertion about an insurer never taking the initiative to inspect an insured's roof for damage after a storm and replace it is inaccurate. Our insurance company sent an adjuster to our home after a hail storm resulted in multiple claims from other insureds nearby. We were out of state at the time and completely unaware of the storm. The adjuster determined the damage he observed justified a new roof and they covered it. They had our back.


Subject: This guy is an idiot

It states in the policy that it is YOUR RESPOSIBILITY TO PROVE THE LOSS... How could an insurance company possibly go to each insureds home and proactively inspect their off. You are probably the type that complains about insurance rates already, could you imagine what the rates would be if they had to do what you are proposing? Educate yourself and quit acting like a fool on the Internet.

Ricardo Sanchez

Subject: disagree with article

To say that these "scammers" have any chance of getting away with intentional mechanical damage
is an insult to the adjusters in the industry. These adjusters are very well trained and can spot mechanical damage right away, it is not that hard. No, I am not an adjuster nor am I related to one. I am an owner of a
roofing company that respects adjusters and honest members of the roofing community.

John Smitherman

Subject: I disagree with this Angie's list Roofing Article

I would have to disagree with this Article in the statement that the "door to door salesman" approach is just Scammers and Storm Chasers. I live in Cooleemee NC and my neighbor had called a local roofing company from the phone book and was completely ripped off. They took his insurance money and ordered his shingles only to start the job and never come back to finish and the half of a roof they did complete was god awful.

I had another local NC Roofing company: Room 2 Roof have one of their fellows knock on my door about inspecting my Roof for Hail damage. They professionally inspected my Roof, Took pictures, came out to meet my insurance adjuster and installed my new Roof with No Money Down, before all of this they drove me to other homes in the area to talk face to face with other homeowners they've recently installed a Roof for and provided me with a copy of their license, insurance and workman's comp.

My experience with Room 2 Roof was First class and my neighbor who is still suing the other local roofer that screwed him is getting help from Tracy of Room 2 Roof who has really done alot of legwork to assist him in going after these folks.

I think it is ok for Good Honest people to go out and seek business Door to Door so long as they are doing things correctly. To label those pro actively seeking business this way as scammers is wrong, some of the people you choose right from your local yellow pages are also scammers.


Subject: Thank you John Smitherman

I completely agree with the John Smitherton's reply to this article. Having a big ad in the yellow pages does not automatically make you honest & dependable, just as knocking on someone's door doesn't make you a crook. A local contractor near Kalamazoo, Vestal builders, was just on the news because he's going to jail for fraud. Nicest 2 page ad you've ever seen! Even had a store front in the local mega-mart next to the mini nail salon and mini bank.

Hard working contractors go where the work is, but homeowners still have to do their homework. That's what Angie's List is for!


Subject: Thank you John Smitherman

I completely agree with the John Smitherton's reply to this article. Having a big ad in the yellow pages does not automatically make you honest & dependable, just as knocking on someone's door doesn't make you a crook. A local contractor near Kalamazoo, Vestal builders, was just on the news because he's going to jail for fraud. Nicest 2 page ad you've ever seen! Even had a store front in the local mega-mart next to the mini nail salon and mini bank.

Hard working contractors go where the work is, but homeowners still have to do their homework. That's what Angie's List is for!

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I second the original question (still unanswered). Speaking as someone who logged in today to try to find an attorney, I see this category as one that's exactly what I have my Angie's List membership for:

1. It's important that I find a good one
2. I'm not an expert enough to know myself who is a good one
3. The industry is full of advertisements and misinformation
4. I wish I knew what experiences other people have had

I don't care about lawns--I planted mine in clover and don't have to mow it. When I do need to mow I use a rotary Fiskars mower, which is great--or a scythe. That's right--a scythe (the European type, which is smaller, and it's very good exercise). Gas-powered mowers, chemical fertilizers and weed killers--all nasty stuff that gets into everyone's air, soil, and water. I'm sure my neighbor doesn't like my wildflowers, semi-wild pockets of fruit bushes, and unmown areas and yes, dandelions (I have 10 acres) but that's too bad. It's better habitat for wildlife, especially the pollinators on which our food supply depends. I think this obsession with the Great American Lawn is a waste of time and resources. Plant some food instead.

I'm not sure Angie et. al. want you to have a complete answer to this question. By re-subscribing at the Indiana State Fair in 2012, I think I paid $20.00 per year for a multi- year subscription. Maybe even less. At the other extreme--and I hope my memory isn't faulty about this--I think the price, for my area, for ONE year was an outrageous $70.00. And they debited me automatically without warning. I had to opt out of that automatic charge. I like Angie's List, but if some of the companies they monitor behaved the way they do in this respect, they'd be on some sort of Pages of Unhappiness. I'll be interested to see if this comment gets published or censored out of existence.

That's very difficult to answer without seeing the house. As one poster said, the prep is the most important part. On newer homes that don't have a lot of peeling paint, the prep can be very minimal even as low as a couple or a few hundred dollars for the prep labor.

On a 100 year old home with 12 coats of peeling paint on it, then the prep costs can be very high and can easily exceed 50% of the job's labor cost.

A 2100 sq ft two story home could easily cost $1000 just for the labor to prep for the paint job. That number could climb too. Throw in lots of caullking  or window glazing, and you could be talking a couple or a few hundred dollars more for labor.

Painting that home with one coat of paint and a different color on the trim could run roughly $1000 or more just for labor. Add a second coat  and that could cost close to another $1000 for labor.

For paint, you may need 20 gallons of paint. You can pay from $30-$70 for a gallon of good quality exterior paint. The manufacturer of the paint should be specified in any painting contract. Otherwise, the contractor could bid at a Sherwin-Williams $60 per gallon paint and then paint the house with $35 Valspar and pocket the difference. $25 dollars per gallon times 20 gallons? That's a pretty penny too.

That was the long answer to your question. The short answer is $2000 to $4000 and up, depending upon the amount of prep, the number of coats, the amount of trim, and the paint used.