How to Keep Water Pipes from Freezing

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C. Luskin

Subject: plumbing

An inanimate object is not susceptable to the wind- as in the above script which says wind adds to the occurrance of freezing pipes.

Louis Viscomi

Subject: wind effect

Sorry, Mr. Luskin. You are terribly wrong. The term 'wind chill' represents the difference between the measured static temperature and the effect of wind pulling more heat from any object. That is why a fan blowing on you has a cooling effect even though you are (ahem) inanimate.

Jim Brannon

Subject: Line to outside faucet.

I have a long inside water line that runs along the outside wall faucet. It is very difficult to get to and has burst twice. I let a company spray insulation after encapsulating the rather large are and now wonder if that was the best solution. Should I have it torn out and reroute the line or is what they did a good practice and should quit worrying.

Patrick O'Connell

Subject: Water Pipes Freezing

If you have any old style incandescent lights, put a 100 watts bulb in the area where the water pipes comes in. (bad move outlawing them-new style don't give off heat) Generally that's enough to keep the water moving except in the coldest weather. An oil filled heater is a good substitute for the light bulb or a backup in the coldest weather.

Pauline

Subject: winter vacation

To keep pipes from freezing while I'm away, I turn off the main water valve that admits water to the house. Then I drain all the water out of the pipes.

Peter

Subject: Vacation

What to do when I'm going on vacation in the winter months?

DK

Subject: RE: Vacation during the winter

I always have success when the last thing before I depart for a winter vacation is to turn off the water main, and then drain the pipes by opening both the hot and cold faucets at a sink. If there's no water in the pipes, then they can burst due to frozen water.

Dean Gallea

Subject: Wind chill not a factor

Thermodynamics 101: Water standing still in a pipe doesn't know or care if the freezing air around it is calm or blowing at gale force. The only thing that the wind does is cool the water in the pipe faster. But, if you are relying on water flowing through the pipe to keep it from freezing, that's where it helps to protect the pipe from wind or to insulate it.

Also, insulation alone will not prevent a pipe from freezing if water is not flowing from a higher-temperature source. Insulation only slows down the freeze, hopefully until warmer water flows through again.

Steve

Subject: Thermodynamics

Well, I didn't take 'Thermodynamics 101,' but I do understand that, as described in the second law of thermodynamics, heat moves from warmer to colder. In the case of pipes, the water is warmer than the surrounding air, so the heat leaves the water to go into that air which leads to the water freezing and the pipes bursting. The colder that surrounding air is (and the larger the delta), the faster this will occur. If there is no air movement, as the heat transfers, it will slightly raise the temperature of the air, reducing the delta and, consequently, the flow of heat, which will slow down the rate of the water freezing. If there's wind, it will constantly be removing that heat, preventing any such buildup of it, which will keep the delta higher and cause the water in the pipe to freeze faster. Granted, the effect of this will typically be minimal, but in a small space it could certainly make a difference. As to your other comments, if the water is moving, this will help to negate the impact of the wind (you seem to imply it's the only time the wind WOULD have an effect on it). This is because a) moving water needs to be at a lower temperature to freeze, and b) as heat is lost from the water it is constantly moving along and "new" water that hasn't yet lost that heat is coming through to replace it. And this "new" water is at a minimum at the temperature of the house's cold water inlet (minus what little heat it's lost up to that point), so while it may not be warm, it's much warmer than freezing and enough to prevent freezing (unless, of course, the surrounding air is ridiculously cold). So in other words, it's ALWAYS "flowing from a higher-temperature source."

Ron

Subject: Beware the drain pipe freezing

I have a bathroom that has outside wall plumbing that can freeze up in extreme cold. However, when you leave your faucets open to avoid frozen pipes keep an eye out that the slow trickle of water doesn't wind up freezing and eventually clogging up the drain pipe. This will end up overflowing your sink and creating an unexpected mess.

Cathy

Subject: Pump shutting down

I live in an old home and have a cottage on the same property that is rented out. All lines are off the same well. There are 2 weak spots....under kitchen sink in rental and a crawl space under my kitchen. The pump is located there. I have heat tape around the pipes in the crawl space and extra insulation around the cottage kitchen pipes. When the temps dip to the teens I turn on a small utility heater in the crawl space and also keep faucets open at a drip. The other day started out fine and then the temps drastically dipped to the negative teens. Thankfully I was still home before heading to work. I checked everything...or so I thought. I believe that what happened was the cord for the heat tape got jimmied out of the electrical socket just enough to cause it to turn off. So.....just a handy little reminder...check the plugs! :)

Disgusted

Subject: Letting faucets drip.

Can you imagine everyone in the same area letting their faucets drip at the same time?

We have had to be told not to do that here, as it causes problems with the fire department having water pressures too low to be able to put out fires.

I can't imagine plumbing experts suggesting that people let their faucets drip.

MONA

Subject: WHY NOT?

Just curious, why not use a hair drier or heat to thaw a frozen pipe?

Scott Ramey

Subject: to answer your question Terry

Cover the foundation vents with styerfoam vent covers to save on your heating bill and protect your water lines! Terry crack both got and cold because your hot water line stays stagnate when not used for a long period and could freeze as well. They did not day it should be a steady stream of eager about the size of a pencil lead as well! However plastic lines in New Homes are meant to expand and that's one reason they use them but no one wants to risk telling people it won't freeze in case somehow a line breaks! But you should be fine. Also garages are not often insulated and if you havea house bib on corner of garage the line are probably not insulated and should be checked so cut a hope in insulation and check!

murlen paul

Subject: freezing pipes

when would pipes freeze. when the temperature gets to 30 degress with no winor when it is 32 degrees and wind chill is 10 degrees

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