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"Buyer Beware: While this business was prompt and professional through the sales and installation process, they refuse to provide documentation of completion" or confirmation of warranty of the product and installation. I purchased and paid a premium for lifetime warranty of the materials and labor and now they refuse to provide a paid Bill of Sale after being fully paid. I have asked repeatedly for a complete Bill of Sale that indicates a lifetime warranty and even spoke with the business Principle, but to no avail. So now I am left without suitable documentation to substantiate a lifetime warranty. Too bad.

-Skip G.

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"Well, except for the home office support. The lead designer failed to take seriously my concerns that the location of the screen structural support members and" my hurricane panels were a problem. This resulted in my having to go and purchase additional patio pavers and the installers having to make significant modifications during the installation and the work took a lot longer than anticipated. I also had difficulty speaking with the lead designer. Many times I would call and after trying to location him in the plant, the secretary would tell me he was not available. Several times I had to talk with the secretary on some issues, only to have her get off the line several times to get a answer or confirm one of my questions. She obviously was talking with him. don't know why he would not speak with me directly. Although I said yes to would I use them again, my real answer is "it depends."

-Robert H.

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Todd said it best.

An itemized list / cost breakdown, more often than not is used against the contractor when it is shared with other builders who will then beat it.

Good contractors use good people, and good people cost more.  Just the cost of having the appropriate insurance / bond can be the difference between winning a job or losing it ot a 'lower bid'.

It is the rule of three; there is Good, Cheap and Fast.  You can have any two:  Good and Cheap, won't be Fast; Good and Fast, won't be Cheap;  Cheap and Fast, won't be Good!

When comparing bids, it isn't the cheapest or the 'nicest' person you should select.   You should understand why there is a large price difference (it shows there are gaps in your design program or what you have asked for specifically, which means there may be arguments later).  If most of the bids are in line, and one is way high or way low,  you want to know why before dismissing or selecting them.

A price-only decision almost always costs more in the long run. 

Good luck!
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No.  Heck no.  Here's a good example.  We very recently needed to find someone to install about 500 square feet of exotic wood flooring (we already have the materials).  We contacted about 12-15 top-rated Angieslist contractors.  Out of the few who did get back to us, we got 5 quotes, 2 of them were literally just over the phone.  They "didn't feel it would be necessary to even see the space". 

 

Here were the bids: 

$4000 (sight unseen), $2800 (sight unseen), $2500, $1500, $1450

 

We didn't "share our budget for this".  Why would we?  We asked them to bid the job.  That's it.  All of them should be well-qualified and they are all highly rated.  We were interested in how THEY value their time/resources - for an apples/apples job. 

 

Do you still think that you should tell them about your budget?  Your choice.  From my standpoint it isn't their business.  I'm asking them to bid on a project.  Invariably I'll get some very high bids, medium bids and a few more reasonable ones - ALL from "highly rated contractors". 

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Herlonginc's answer stated that it is not the contractor's job to pay for materials and labor to do the job. I say baloney - a reputable, established contractor has the funds (or a business operations line of credit) to "carry" the job between interim or partial payments, each of which should be keyed to completion of distinct easily measured mileposts in the job, and for a homeowner I would say should be in not more than 20% increments for jobs exceeding a week or so. For shorter jobs, then an initial payment, 50% completion, and completion would be normal. His cost of carry funds is part of his cost of doing business, and is figured as part of his overhead.Bear in mind when he is buying materials and paying labor, his materials he typically pays for on a 10-30 day invoice, and his labor typically a week or two after they work, so he is not really "fronting" that much money if you are giving him weekly or biweekly interim payments, on a typical residential job.

If he does not have the funds to buy materials (excepting possibly deposit on special-order or luxury items, which still typically are 10-30 day invoiceable to him) and hire personnel then he is a fly-by-night operation, and he should not be bidding that size job. You should never (other than MAYBE an earnest deposit of not more than the LESSER of 10% or $5000) let the payments get ahead of the approved/inspected work progress - typically payment should be 10-20% BEHIND the progress, with at least 10% retained at the effective end of work until final inspections and completion of the final "punchlist".

That promotes rapid continuation of the work, discourages the all-too common nightmare of contractors taking on more work than they can handle so they leave your job for weeks or months to go work on someone else's job (frequently to start that someone else's new job so he can get the job), and does not leave you out a tremendous amount of cash if he does not finish and you have to hire another contractor to finish the job. Remember, if you have to hire a new contractor to finish the job, he will charge you a lot more than the original bid to finish someone else's unfinished mess.

This may seem cynical, but having started in the construction business about 50 years ago and seeing the shenanigans that a lot of contractors pull you cannot be too safe. You have to remember contractors are like any other people - I would say maybe 10% are outright crooks, another 25% or so will pull a fast one or overcharge if the opportunity presents itself, maybe 30% will do the work but not any better than they are forced to, about 25% are good conscientious reputable workmen, and the last 10% or so are really spectacular - conscientious, fair, and efficient craftsmen. This top 35% are the only ones you should have bidding in the first place. Therefore, only get bids from long-term reputable firms (so you shake out the marginal short-timers with less experience and also generally less ability to finish the job on budget and schedule), only those that have good RECENT references, and preferably with excellent word-of-mouth recommendation from people you know and trust. That way, you are starting right off with the cream of the crop, so hopefully whichever one bids low should be a good choice.

NEVER start with bids, then check the references of the low bidder - why even consider a vendor or contractor who you do not have faith in from the start ? Get references and short-list you possibles BEFORE you ask for bids.

Low bids - that is another matter - commonly the low bidder is NOT who you want, especially if he is significantly lower than several others, which might mean he is desperate for work, made a math error, or did not correctly figure the entire scope of work. You want a reasonable bid with someone you connect with and trust - that is worth a lot more in the success of the job than the absolute lowest bid.

 

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For this type of job, you need plans and specs from an Architectural/Engineering firm before thinking about contractors - and to get a building permit. Ben's method would work and done incrementally could cost well over $100,000 plus as he says, but this not really the most economic way to approach this big a job. A House Mover or Foundation Underpinning specialty company can usually slide your house onto a whole new foundation, or jack it up on steel beams and hold it there while a basement is dug underneath it, without any intermediate piers. The jacking/move cost would probably be on the order of $30-40,000, and a new basement probably about $40-50,000 - rough ballpark, though I have been involved in some 1000-1500SF single story jobs that went for under $70,000 total. I have been involved in a fair number of these type jobs - and the way the numbers come out, if there is room on the property to move the house, it is almost always nearly as cheap or cheaper to build an equivalent square footage (basement plus ground level) addition rather than add a basement under the house, and that way your new footage is half above ground so worth more on resale, plus you do not lose use of the house for a month or two. Second cheapest is usually sliding house to a new foundation, if property is large enough to do this - though house is totally cut off from utilities for a week to three. Most expensive, and usually only done in tight city environments or with full 2 story or higher houses, is adding the foundation in place, though your utility interruptions should be on the order of hours at a time rather than days or weeks. Talk to an architect - I think you will quickly lean towards the addition option rather than adding a basement - it is just too expensive to deepen foundations in most cases, plus you WILL get cracking in the house and possible water and sewer pipe problems in a move/underpinning job, which is not the case with an addition. This become more likely the case since you want to add 8 feet off the back of the home anyway - so why not just enlarge the addition and do it all that way - MUCH simpler, and MUCH less disruption of your life, and you get much higher resale return on your investment.

Sunroom And Patio reviews in Clay

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we found
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to be throughly professional . Met all promises made , responded quick to phone messages and very happy with the quality of their work. Their workers treated our home as if it were their own. Very respectful , cleaned the work site each day and very friendly . It was a pleasure working with this company and I would certainly use them again
- Patricia M.
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We hired this company to take down our old deck and put up a new larger one using Trex material. After the permit was obtained, they told us they would need about 7 days to finish the entire project and started the demolition on 7/0. It went downhill from there. The building crew did not show up and I had to chase after them to get some answers about when they will start again. They claimed they fired some crew and wanted to give me "their best guy" (as opposed to the lousy one?) and we waited 11 days with no deck before they finally had a crew on site. Even then some days were no-shows without any notification whatsoever from the company.
In the meantime the pallets of wood and building materials were stacked on my lawn under the summer heat. Several requests to have them relocate the pallets onto the driveway to minimize the damage to the grass went unanswered. They simply didn't care thinking that grass will eventually grow back even if it takes a year.
When they were done, the quality of their work was disappointing. Almost every corner had a large gap and mismatch in some cases so bad it can actually cut the skin. Even boards on the floor were not even and you could seriously injure yourself walking barefoot. When I challenged them about it they agreed to come back and fix it but also claimed that this is not wood and therefore there is so much they could do. While I understand some gaps have to be there to allow for expansion and contraction, the mismatch on the railings were simply poor workmanship. Decorative caps on the railing on loose and they did not use the Trex recommended screws with head covers to make them invisible. Instead they used a cheaper alternative where you can see the torx head everywhere.
No wonder they put on their contract that final payment is due the DAY of completion and before final inspection!! I ignored it and held back on the 50% balance until they did the repair I asked for.
I think there are better alternatives out there. Check their reviews and ask to go see previous projects if possible.
- Carmen I.
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patio took longer to complete than planned, but weather was a contributing factor. Both the patio and the screen for the porch look terrific. would not hesitate to use them again.
- BOB D.
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She did a wonderful job. Her workers were polite and very punctual. The guys that worked for her had never built a
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- Betty G.
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called me back in 20 minutes and showed up at my house in less than an hour. We talked about all the problems/projects I had in mind. He gave me ideas and listened my ideas. We decided to break the job to 2 different jobs and do the steps and all the cement work first.
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and his work men showed up at my house next morning around 8 am and started working.All the workmen are nice, polite, hard working and easy going. They returned every morning around the same time including Saturday and Sunday to get everything done.
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has good ideas to solve problems and surprises that come about when you fix nearly 100 year old house he also has an excellent eye for detail. He has knowledge in many areas of building and fixing which is very handy. All the work turned out super and new brick steps look great and they match well with the existing stone front wall. I will be using
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- Sari P.
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I never knew how much I would enjoy a screened in porch until I had one! It was a long process - but totally worth it.
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built us a beautiful porch adding their own recommendations to our ideas and vision. I think the most outstanding aspect of the job is the quality of the final work product. Everything was done with the higest quality in mind. Working with everyone in the company was a pleasure. From the initial meeting with
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, we felt informed and in the loop. No project goes perfectly, but all challenges were handled professionally and in a timely manner. We got several estimates for th eproject and
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was not th eleast expensive - but they were worth every penny. I would use them again without hesitation. We are very proud of our home and even more so now!
- Christine W.
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were very professional and patient with my constant changes to the plans. They were extremely helpful with aiding me with design options and ways to get the most out of the square footage that I had. I will say that everything went as planned and they came in on the budget that I had set. I would most definitely go to them for any further construction needs that I may have or that my daughter may have. Overall, wonderful experience.
- Suzanne F.
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Would highly recommend
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. The quality of the work was exceptional. Going with the three-inch aluminum as opposed to the standard smaller size made a huge difference in the end product. I appreciated the time Bill took to find out how we utilized the space so he could install the screen and door in a way that would suit our lifestyle. Very personable too. The crew that installed the screen was professional and went about their business without incident. They cleaned up the area afterwards. You definitely get what you pay for. The cost may be a little higher but the end product is so worth it. Loving the use of the space now.
- Mary M.

Patio And Sunroom Builders in Clay, NY

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Affordable Solutions by Brian

PO Box 486
Fayetteville

AKB Construction

8002 Bamm Hollow RD
Clay

Antero Construction

1722 West Genesee St. Suite 4
Syracuse

Artisan Renovations

6355 N Manlius Rd
Kirkville

Auburn Siding Window & Door

3968 Wyckoff Rd
Scipio Center

BAILEY CONSTRUCTION SVC

4146 REDDEER RD
Liverpool

Bap Architectural Svc

2142 Marshland Rd
Apalachin

BASCIANI & SONS

379 ATKINSON RD
Pulaski

Bath Renew

920 Spencer St
Syracuse

Beach Construction

31 Cathrine St
Oswego

Bertonica Construction

1787 Center Road
Scipio

BMMB General Contracting

16 Bradford St
Auburn

Cahaba Scapes

2130 11th avenue north

CARTESCAPE INC

6783 MOREZAK RD
La Fayette

Castle Property Services, Inc.

168 Roosevelt Road
Cleveland

Cedar Bay Construction Ltd

105 Pratt Ln
Fayetteville

Chick, Dr. Jeffrey B.

6221 Route 31
Cicero

CLEARVIEW WINDOWS & EXTERIORS

520 Grant Ave
Auburn

CNY Woodworks

105 N Willow St
Liverpool

Comfort Windows

3624 John Glenn Blvd.
Syracuse

Cox's Handyman Services

305 Chestnut St
Syracuse

Crescenzo Contruction Inc.

208 Sheridan Road # 1
Liverpool

Dave Marion Carpentry

2492 Fry Rd
Aurora

DB Remodeling

680 County Route10

DE MASCOLE KITCHEN BATH & TILE

103 ARTERIAL RD
Syracuse

EJT Construction

7742 Lisa Lane
Syracuse

ExactFit Home Improvements Inc

69 Creamery Rd
Oswego

Excel Quest Construction Services Corp

106 Wilkinson Pl Ext
Baldwinsville

F L BRINKUS

PO BOX 2432
Liverpool

fast property services

4132 Silverado Dr
Liverpool

FERRIS CONSTRUCTION

4132 SILVERADO DR
Liverpool

Full Circle Contracting

12 SHADY LN
Syracuse

G & J Home Remodeling Co Inc

710 Kirkpatrick St
Syracuse

G&C EXTERIORS

8161 Sophia Dr
Cicero

Genovese Home Improvement

1926 Teall Ave
Syracuse

Gillette Contracting Co.

107 Sedgwick Dr
Syracuse

GreenSavers

Syracuse

Grover's Home Improvement

303 Shanty Creek Rd
Central Square

Hallowell Remodeling and Home Improvements

321 Pleasantview Dr
Liverpool

Healthy Glass

2283 County Road 28
Canandaigua

Honey Do Repairs & Projects

218 Allen Rd
Parish

J Lighton Construction LLC

209 Mackay Ave
Syracuse

J. Hence & Co. Inc.

4 Limestone Plaza
Fayetteville

JB Home Improvement

5601 State Highway 31#1294
Cicero

JG Greer General Contractor

4735 Grange Rd
Clay

john c rainbow, inc

4971 syracuse rd
Cazenovia

Kapp construction

65 W 4th St Apt 2
Oswego

Kassel Construction

684 River Rd
Glenmont

Kathy Kotz Home Builder Inc

PO Box 744
Syracuse

KDG REMODELING

2076 COUNTY ROUTE 12
Central Square

Kreis Construction

306 Center Rd
Pennellville

Laura's Designs

405 East Mission Street

Lewis Remodeling

3564 Gaskin Rd
Baldwinsville

Magnolia Outdoor Living

3522 Ashford-Dunwoody Rd.

Maple flats construction

8690 maple flats rd

MEID Construction

1341 Middle Rd
Oneida

Merrill construction

4098 Cedarvale Rd
Syracuse

Michael Osborn Construction

305 church st
Hannibal

Modern Home Contractors Inc

900 Old Liverpool Rd
Liverpool

Modern Home Tech

169 County Route 37
Central Square

O'Tooles Handyman Service

234 Blackberry Rd
Liverpool

Petersen Cor Associates LLC

2485 Brickyard Rd.
Warners

Petra Builders

49 Edgewood Dr
Baldwinsville

Pioneer Masonry

515 CHURCH ST
Syracuse

PJA Home Improvements

213 Seventh Street
Solvay

PRECISION BUILDING & REMODELING INC

9447 CHALKSTONE COURSE
Brewerton

R & B Innovative Construction

PO Box 393
Morrisville

R.O. Builders

21 Legacy Drive
Baldwinsville

RANDOM TASK

11010 Orangeshire Ct

RC Hammer

11521 Gradwell St.

Remodeling Second Opinion

106 W Sunnybrook Dr

Rob's Renovations

317 County Route 38
Hastings

Rock Solid Basements

111 Electronics Pkwy
Liverpool

Rodriguez Painting

All Locations
Syracuse

S. Caselle Construction Inc

8505 Long Leaf Trail
Liverpool

Sherry's Home Improvement's

16479 west lake rd

SHETLER CONTRACTING

8754 BENGASI CRSE
Cicero

Steve Buza & Family Home Improvement

931 Onondaga Rd
Camillus

Strathmore Renovations

907 Bellevue Ave.
Syracuse

Sure Seal Window Installations

7620 Hwy 291
Stittville

SW Sun Control

6429 N Oracle Rd

T.M. Industries

po box 314
East Syracuse

The Home Depot

1634 Clark St Rd
Auburn

Tyler Construction Services Inc

440 State Rte 34
Hannibal

U.R. Home CNY, LLC

113 County Route 1A
Oswego

Up State NY Handyman

8848 Oswego Rd

Upstate NY Home Solutions LLC

6196 Crestview Dr
Syracuse

Van Dusen Exteriors

1124 Vine St
Liverpool

Vic Peters Construction

PO Box 67
Jordan

Warmzone

12637 S 265 W Suite 100

William Morey Builder

94 Dutch Rd
Mallory

Yankee Construction

8405 Tuttle Rd
Bridgeport

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