Hudsonville Lakefront Landscapers

in Hudsonville, MI

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In addition to replacing a 250-foot railroad tie wall with boulders, the contractor on this project also helped with the city, state and Corps of Engineers approval processes. (Photo courtesy of Angie’s List member Sally S. of Plymouth, Minn.)

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Landscaping can be a challenge in ordinary circumstances, but lakefront landscaping poses additional challenges from sloping and floodplain issues. What ideas will help you create your perfect lakefront escape?

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Cost effective landscaping upgrades include structural features like lighting, fences, garden paths, fire pits, swimming pools and ponds, says Sadree. (Photo courtesy of Angie's List member Julie M. of King George, Virginia)
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Landscaping requires constant maintenance, but it can also save you money. Follow these tips to invest in a beautiful yard to bring lasting value to your home.

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Landscaping - Lakefront, Lawn & Yard Work

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I don't care about lawns--I planted mine in clover and don't have to mow it. When I do need to mow I use a rotary Fiskars mower, which is great--or a scythe. That's right--a scythe (the European type, which is smaller, and it's very good exercise). Gas-powered mowers, chemical fertilizers and weed killers--all nasty stuff that gets into everyone's air, soil, and water. I'm sure my neighbor doesn't like my wildflowers, semi-wild pockets of fruit bushes, and unmown areas and yes, dandelions (I have 10 acres) but that's too bad. It's better habitat for wildlife, especially the pollinators on which our food supply depends. I think this obsession with the Great American Lawn is a waste of time and resources. Plant some food instead.


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One of the more difficult issues facing you will be making sure you compare apples 'n apples while understanding the differences between apples 'n oranges.

Some things common to all:

How far from your (water) meter pit to the home?

Do you know what sort of water pressure you have?

Those two questions sortta drive the rest.  How many sprinklers you have is a piece of the puzzle but it is lower on the issues list than how much water pressure and gallons per minute of flow (gpm) you have.  Knowing the water pressure and gpm coming to the house is important because it is the info divided by the flow rate of the heads to tell you how many you can run at a time.

 That, plus the number of heads it takes to cover your yard will let them decide on how many zones to cut the yard into (each zone is X number of heads that run at the same time).

Will the different estimates be for systems that are all parts from a single manufaturer or will it be a collection of brands?  Some will tell you that the parts (controller, back-flow, heads and even specific heads) are better from different manufacturers while others will tell you that all from a single manufacturer will give you an optimized system.

And, are the contractors equally certified?  Not only education and experience but certifications from the various manufacturers who's parts they want to use.  And, will their installations be the same?  Will they open trenches all around your yard and be a week getting the stuff layed, connected and back-filled?  Or, will they pull the flexible pipe and be in 'n out in one day with water flowing to cover their intrussion before they leave that day?

Will your system need to be blown out with pressurized air at the end of the season to avoid winter freeze and bursts or will it drain automagically?

I know, I took your simple question and made it hard.

When I bought my system about 9 years ago, I had a variety of estimates and the differences sortta fell into the mess I listed above.  The low estimate was a person who seemed to be from the "get it in the ground and fix it later" school.

The highest estimate was from someone who seemed more concerned about my yard and the final result than I was.  The low person was using parts 'n pieces from a variety of manufacturers.  The high person was certified by the company that made all the parts he was wanting to use and he carried a fairly high rating from them for his past performance..  He would vary for me if I wanted but he had sound reasons from the controller to each of the heads as to why he preferred his "brand".

It doesn't look like you are a member of Angie's List.  Given the size of the investment you are looking at, this might be a great time to join and see how others in your community have rated the contractors you are considering or if there is one you should add to your list. 

My yard is between 12 and 15,000 square feet less the house, deck, two mini-barns and it is interrupted with a number of blocking (blocks the stream of water) evergreens and planting beds.

The low estimate I had was about $2,500 and would take three days to put in from the time they began to trench.  I don't recall how many heads he wanted to put in but if it was off, he'd be able to put another anyplace and tie it to the nearest zone to give me good coverage.  Uh, this was the get it in the ground 'n adjust later person.

The high estimate I had was around $4,500.  This proposal was for seven active zones each having 5 to 7 heads.  There was enough capacity (extra zone controllers and space within the system controller) built in to add drip irrigation at a later date for the planting beds without having to replace anything.  He drew the entire yard and gave me a copy with the heads marked showing the "throw" of each and the overlap he built in to avoid any missed areas.  And, they wanted to arrive in the morning and leave that evening with the system watering to cover their tracks throughout the yard.  One day and they would not leave until it was working as advertised!

I took the high estimate.  I have a neighbor who bought from the other folks.  Both of us are happy.  He is really happy because each time he calls his company for adjustments or corrections (yep, they got it in the ground and are still putzing with it) they are out within the week, they are really easy to do business with and their service calls' costs haven't gone up a whole bunch.

Sorry, you can't look at the price and divide by X number of heads and have a fair comparison.

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1) IF you are talking the root crown - the portion where it is not one solid truck or "bole", but still a solid or near-solid mass of roots coming off the base of the trunk, then that has to come out on way or another. Typically, once you get beyond about a 3 foot circle then you are in the radial portion of the roots where they spread out laterally, and are a foot or more apart, and new roots can grow in that area fro the new tree OK. Of course, be prepared to have to trim some volunteers so the old tree can't come back, and be sure to fertilize the new tree per recommendations because the old roots will still be trying to extract water and food from the soil to support the tree that they do not yet realize is gone. Do NOT put stump killer or poison in the old tree - will kill new one too.

2) The proper commercial way to do this is to have the entire root crown and larger roots removed with a stump grinder - looks like this -

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You need a tree service that can grind down at least two feet below ground level and remove the root crown and larger root segments. If you hve large roots running laterally quite a ways, he can grind them up too - ditto to "trippers" sticking up above ground. Just be sure to have it clear (spray painted) upfront how far he is going for what he quoted - typically about $150 for tree up to 1-2 feet in diameter, up to $500 for a massive sycamore or walnut or cottonwood or redwood with 6 foot diameter crown. While you can rent stump grinders at tooll rental places, I REALLY do not recommend it - the rental ones you can afford to rent for one use are pretty light duty, and they can chew a person up in no time flat if you lose control when it snags in the wood or hits a rock.

3) Another way is to go out to where the massive roots taper off to something you can reasonable cut - say 4-6 inches in diameter, and cut them all in a circle around the stump, then with a come-along or CAREFULLY (not more than a few hundred pounds) with a vehicle with a trailer hitch, put a steady pull on a good rope or strap or chain in a shallow notch cut around the top of the stump (so it does not pop off easy), then while it is being rotated up out of the ground walk around and cut any root you see still attached or trying to lift out of the ground. This works much better if the stump is left about 4-6 feet high so you get some real leverage on it with the pull, but if already cut down short run chain or strap over the top of it and around a large root on the far side of the stump. I use a Sawzall with foot long coarse tooth wood cutting blade for this - goes through roots really fast, and blade is only $1 or so apiece so ruining one or two hitting rocks is no big thing, and also reaches in under the stump better and safer than an axe. I helped a neighbor take out a back yard full of birches this way - took us about half a day to remove about 15 trees with about 6 foot diameter circle of crown and roots, leaving holes about 1-2 feet deep where each tree was. Remember this - whichever way you use to take it out, you will need maybe 1-5 wheelbarrow loads of good growth medium to replace the divot. 

4) Cheaper route - cut off flush with ground level (or leave some stickup as a planter or stool or feeder base or whatever), and plant new tree at least 4 feet away from old crown, in a spot between the old roots.

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'Reasonable' is one of those words that means wildly divergent things to different people.  Check with your local high school to see if they have  any sort of agricultural program.  If yes, perhaps someone in that program could help you.  Being a landscaper myself, I must say it sounds like you want something that is - first and foremost - cheap.   This is NOT the best way to look for any service.  You would be better served looking for 'competant' than with 'cheap'.  The nicer you want your flowerbed to look, the more important it is to find someone who REALLY knows what they are doing.
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Natural stones will have some degree of variance given the lack of pre-made consistency.

 

1/2" is too much from stone to stone and should be able to be fixed with additional leveling sand. 

 

 

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Lakefront Landscaping reviews in Hudsonville

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Did not use this provider because he did not respond to my Angies List internal email inquiry for a quote.He did contact me after I gave him a bad rating for not responding, and explained that he did not know that there was an internal Angies List email inquiry system. I did not use him or get a quote after that, because I had already gone with another solution.
- Michael D.
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They scheduled a date, they arrived as scheduled, worked hard and long to complete the job ahead of schedule. Every technical question was addressed quickly and professionally. I would recommend them to others. I actually recommend them to a canal neighbor last week. The only issue I had was is with backfill that was placed without compaction which has resulted in holes in yard.
- dennis H.
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This is probably the worst experience I have ever had with a residential contractor!
Key points, according to
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Energy Lake Services' representative:
-
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has been removed from
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's list of approved contractors, because they do not adhere to
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's rules for construction on the lake. don't use them if your project is on Lake
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or other
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lake!
- The type of seawall
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builds - an "A" shaped wall of rip-rap with filter fabric and soil fill behind it - is not permitted by
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on their lakes.

Chronology:
The contract was signed and 50% deposit check was given on 03.25.14 - "to hold the price of the rock."
After several inquiries, on Saturday, 05.24.14 (week 8) I received a phone call out of the blue that a truck with the first load of rock would arrive in about 5 minutes. One or 2 truckloads per day of rock or dirt were delivered over a number of days..
On Tuesday, 06.04.14 (week 10) two men and a backhoe arrived (unannounced) to start the work. They worked half a day.
Work continued, 2 or 3 days a week typically for 2 to 4 hours a day, though 06.27.14 (week 13).
On Friday, 06.20.14, Mecklenburg Water Quality representatives arrived by boat and told
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' men to stop work because they did not have the required permits. On Monday, 06.23.14 (week 13), a Mecklenburg Water Quality representative came to my door to tell me that I could be required to do some $15,000 in remediation, since my shoreline was disturbed without permits.
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' men were working, even though they had been directed not to. Since they were here, I got them and the Water Quality man together and asked them to work out a solution that would not stop the work for a month or more (the time it takes to get the permits) and would not require the remediation. After an hour of phone calls back and forth, it was agreed that
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could finish their work, remediation would not be required, and
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would immediately apply for the permits.
On Monday, 06.23.14,
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said they would be finished on Friday 06.27.14 (week 13) and wanted the final check. I walked the job with the foreman on that Friday and pointed out several substantial areas that were not finished. On Saturday 06.28.14, I received a virulent, ranting voice message from
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, to which I replied with a text message correcting his stated "facts" and objecting to the unprofessional attitude of his voice message. On Tuesday, 07.01.14 (week 14)
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called in a much more sane frame of mind and said they would finish the work the next day. They came and did a little work. I again noted the areas that were incomplete, but they insisted they would do no more work.
The rock seawall itself appears to be well built, but there are substantial deficiencies that remain:
- The soil used to fill behind the seawall is full of chunks of rock, many as large as softballs, that would severely damage a lawnmower blade. I spent one very hot day raking the areas to try to remove the worst of the rocks before seeding, but more keep floating to the surface.
- The "finish" grading is irregular, with several areas that pond, etc. The "before" grading sloped gradually down to the seawall. Now it slopes down and then back up to the seawall.
- The soil used is of such poor quality that grass will not grow in it After 6 weeks, the grass I had planted is less than 1/2 inch high, even with daily watering. My budget is depleted for now, but I hope to be able to have a
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of topsoil spread over the area, graded to the proper slopes.
- The north end of the seawall terminates at a beach. The seawall termination was to match that of my neighbor, which
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built many years ago. It doesn't.
An overriding problem with
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is
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' refusal to communicate with his customers. He has serious anger management issues. He completely failed to keep this client informed of what was going on - trucks, workers and equipment came and went at random times, and didn't showup for days on end. They said they would be finished "tomorrow" and then didn't show up for days. The standard excuse was always the weather, which was usually bogus. The workers were easy to get along with and seemed to know what they were doing, but I don't believe
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has set foot on the property since we signed the contract. According to his reputation (and Angies' List reviews) he knows how to build seawalls, but I believe his motorsports business is his first priority. His slipshod management and unprofessional conduct make working with him frustratingly difficult.
On Thursday 08.21.14 (week 21), a representative of
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Energy Lake Services showed up at my door, saying he was reviewing "my" permit application and needed to see the project. He showed me the application, which I had not seen before, and I noted that my signature had been forged twice. He said the project would not have been approved if
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had applied for the permit before construction, but since it was now complete,
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would not require me to remove it. I told him that
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had refused to apply for the permit before starting, and now I knew why.
I am disappointed, to put it mildly, that this project turned out so badly in view of the all-A reviews on Angie's List. I note that the last review was almost 2 years ago, so I can only suppose that Mr.
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has run things into the ground over that time period.


- Michael W.
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Liberty was great. Very punctual both at the time of the estimate and service. I requested to have the wall in prior to August and
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made it happen. The wall came out great. Not only did he suggest to run a drainage pipe (which some other landscapers tried avoiding) but leveled off the rest of my patio so that the
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of the patio met the earth and reseeded all disturbed areas. I'll
be calling them in the spring for my front yard. I usually forget to leave feedback, but they did such a terrific job, I had to make sure I followed up with a positive one. Can't recommend enough.
- Anthony B.
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does a great job with cutting the lawn and weekly cleanup. They are professional, reliable and conscientious. They are however a bit expensive, but I file this under "you get what you pay for". We have had cheaper service providers with problems.
- Richard H.
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Their guy (
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) came out and was very nice and did a good job listening to what I wanted done, but their price was double what I received from other companies. The driveway was quoted at about $28,000 from Kings. I have a quote from a brick paver co for $15,000. Another quote from someone else was $13,900. They were all using unilock pavers. I sent an email and thanked
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for his time and told him his quote was almost double. He emailed back to say that was unusual but he couldn't do anything about the cost. I wouldn't use them again just because of their prices.
- Louis C.
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Set up an appointment date and kept it. Said that he would get back to us with an estimate in a couple days and he did just that. Very nice guy, professional, and answered all our questions. Even offered his opinions and advice on the project which were all great.
- Steve P.

All Lakefront Landscapers in Hudsonville, MI

Companies below are listed in alphabetical order. To view top rated service providers along with reviews and ratings, Join Angie's List Now!

A Lawn By Me

6186 Fordwick dr

Alfresco Landscapes

2914 - 3 Mile Rd., NW
Grand Rapids

Allendale True Value Hardware

5425 Lake Michigan Dr
Allendale

Blue Ridge Landscaping Inc

12236 Port Sheldon St
Holland

Blue Water Pools Inc

O-465 Lake Michigan Dr NW
Grand Rapids

DreamScape Designs & landscaping

791 E 16th St.
Holland

DreamScapes Designs & Landscaping

791 East 16th Street
Holland

Dykstra Landscape Management, INC.

1805 Industrial Park Dr.
Grand Haven

Everetts Landscape Management Inc

7884 Eastern Ave SE
Grand Rapids

EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING

17045 NEW HOLLAND ST
Holland

Gritters Lawn and Landscape Management

5361 Lawndale Ave
Hudsonville

Harder & Warner Nursery Inc

6464 Broadmoor SE Ave
Caledonia

HOLLANDIA GARDENS INC

3612 128th Ave
Holland

KLOOSTERMAN LANDSCAPING INC

7892 CHERRY VALLEY AVE SE
Caledonia

LandArc Studio LLC

1945 Sylvan Avenue SE
Grand Rapids

LANDSCAPE DESIGN SERVICES INC

7351 W OLIVE RD
Holland

LANDSCAPE IMPRESSIONS DESIGN

3807 68TH ST SE
Caledonia

LEGEND SERVICES INC

1242 Comstock St
Marne

Mackinaw Landscaping

3480 Bauer Rd.
Jenison

New Life Arboricultural Services

1917 Hutchinson Ave SE
Grand Rapids

North Kent Contractors

16673 Tyrone Ave
Kent City

OMEGA BRICK & LANDSCAPING

2611 RICHARDS DR SE
Grand Rapids

PERSONAL TOUCH LANDSCAPE SERVICES

10466 E PARIS AVE SE
Caledonia

PREFERRED LANDSCAPE INC

PO Box 229
Sand Lake

PREMIER LAWNCARE & LANDSCAPE, LLC

7595 28th Ave
Hudsonville

Procare Landscape Management

675 Clyde Ct
Byron Center

R & R Landscape Supply

1957 COMMERCE ST
Muskegon

Rivertown Landscapes

11950 Northland Dr NE
Rockford

RJM Design Inc

1971 E Beltline Ave NE
Grand Rapids

ROSEMONT NURSERY

2428 Elmridge NW
Grand Rapids

ROYAL LANDSCAPE INC

3085 Dixie Ave SW
Grandville

RRR Lawn & Landscape, LLC

6757 Cascade Rd SE
Grand Rapids

Sherd Construction And Services LLC

1112 N Black River Drive
Holland

Specialty Gardens

P.O. Box 301
Grand Haven

Sustainable Water Management,LLC

6757 Cascade Rd SE
Grand Rapids

The Landsculptor

10976 W Wise Rd
Greenville

The Outdoor Design Co.

5265 128th Ave
Holland

Timber Ridge Wood Products

4335 Abrigador Trl NE
Comstock Park

Twin Lakes Nursery, Inc

3680 Michigan NE
Grand Rapids

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