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I second the original question (still unanswered). Speaking as someone who logged in today to try to find an attorney, I see this category as one that's exactly what I have my Angie's List membership for:

1. It's important that I find a good one
2. I'm not an expert enough to know myself who is a good one
3. The industry is full of advertisements and misinformation
4. I wish I knew what experiences other people have had


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I don't care about lawns--I planted mine in clover and don't have to mow it. When I do need to mow I use a rotary Fiskars mower, which is great--or a scythe. That's right--a scythe (the European type, which is smaller, and it's very good exercise). Gas-powered mowers, chemical fertilizers and weed killers--all nasty stuff that gets into everyone's air, soil, and water. I'm sure my neighbor doesn't like my wildflowers, semi-wild pockets of fruit bushes, and unmown areas and yes, dandelions (I have 10 acres) but that's too bad. It's better habitat for wildlife, especially the pollinators on which our food supply depends. I think this obsession with the Great American Lawn is a waste of time and resources. Plant some food instead.


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I'm not sure Angie et. al. want you to have a complete answer to this question. By re-subscribing at the Indiana State Fair in 2012, I think I paid $20.00 per year for a multi- year subscription. Maybe even less. At the other extreme--and I hope my memory isn't faulty about this--I think the price, for my area, for ONE year was an outrageous $70.00. And they debited me automatically without warning. I had to opt out of that automatic charge. I like Angie's List, but if some of the companies they monitor behaved the way they do in this respect, they'd be on some sort of Pages of Unhappiness. I'll be interested to see if this comment gets published or censored out of existence.
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That's very difficult to answer without seeing the house. As one poster said, the prep is the most important part. On newer homes that don't have a lot of peeling paint, the prep can be very minimal even as low as a couple or a few hundred dollars for the prep labor.

On a 100 year old home with 12 coats of peeling paint on it, then the prep costs can be very high and can easily exceed 50% of the job's labor cost.

A 2100 sq ft two story home could easily cost $1000 just for the labor to prep for the paint job. That number could climb too. Throw in lots of caullking  or window glazing, and you could be talking a couple or a few hundred dollars more for labor.

Painting that home with one coat of paint and a different color on the trim could run roughly $1000 or more just for labor. Add a second coat  and that could cost close to another $1000 for labor.

For paint, you may need 20 gallons of paint. You can pay from $30-$70 for a gallon of good quality exterior paint. The manufacturer of the paint should be specified in any painting contract. Otherwise, the contractor could bid at a Sherwin-Williams $60 per gallon paint and then paint the house with $35 Valspar and pocket the difference. $25 dollars per gallon times 20 gallons? That's a pretty penny too.

That was the long answer to your question. The short answer is $2000 to $4000 and up, depending upon the amount of prep, the number of coats, the amount of trim, and the paint used.

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You have to put your self in the shoes of a business that is in business to turn a profit of some sort. All businesses have different overhead which in turn decides what their bottom line would be on their services. I personally would not go with an unlicensed professional for this type of install. You are messing with gas, venting issues, electrical wiring{electric water heater} and updated code issues such as a drain pan and tempature and relief drain lines for heaters that currently do not have them. I do agree that there are some companies that are way out of line for their installs but most of these companies are the really big companies that have very high overheads  I would assume. Tank type water heaters have changed over the last several years and with these safety changes come bigger prices. The price of steel thanks to China is skyrocketing and tank type water heaters are made of steel. Most wholesale plumbing supply companies cannot match what the big box stores are selling at retail to consumers. I happen to think from research that heaters such as Rheem, Bradford White and AOSmith who have been in business forever make a better product than what you can buy in the big box outlets. You also have to take in consideration the location of the water heater that is being replaced. Is it in the house, basement, garage or attic. Most 40 and 50 gallon water heaters that are purchased in a plumbing wholesale store in Texas cost between 300-340 for a 6 year warranty heater with 6 year on parts and tank. Speaking of warranty. Most big box companies will take a least 24 hours to a week to get your warranty problem taken care of. Most reputable plumbing companies will give same day service if they installed the heater.

So lets break down a typical install at cost to a licensed plumber in Texas

Heater: $315, water shut off $6.50, water flex lines or unions to code $20, gas flex line and cut off to code $12, misc fittings $15, Total $368.50 Lets add a 35% profit which is some what low  for a business $129, Total 497.50

This doesnt  include permits, pan and drain or any venting issues. The vent must go from the heater to the outside of roof using double wall vent.

Cost of permit on average $60

Most plumbing companies allow for 3 hours of time for a water heater. This includes picking the new one up. Delivering out to house. Draining and removing old water heater. Hauling off old heater. Installing new heater up to code. Going down to city and pulling permit.

Average Labor charges for heater installs $400

That would make this install run without extras on any code issues $957.50

I just had a 50 gallon gas water heater installed in my house for $1200 but I needed a pan installed. I used a licensed plumber.

 

 

 

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Todd said it best.

An itemized list / cost breakdown, more often than not is used against the contractor when it is shared with other builders who will then beat it.

Good contractors use good people, and good people cost more.  Just the cost of having the appropriate insurance / bond can be the difference between winning a job or losing it ot a 'lower bid'.

It is the rule of three; there is Good, Cheap and Fast.  You can have any two:  Good and Cheap, won't be Fast; Good and Fast, won't be Cheap;  Cheap and Fast, won't be Good!

When comparing bids, it isn't the cheapest or the 'nicest' person you should select.   You should understand why there is a large price difference (it shows there are gaps in your design program or what you have asked for specifically, which means there may be arguments later).  If most of the bids are in line, and one is way high or way low,  you want to know why before dismissing or selecting them.

A price-only decision almost always costs more in the long run. 

Good luck!

Er Doctors in Crest Hill, IL

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Abboud, Dr. Maha

836 W Wellington Ave
Chicago

Adventist Hinsdale Hospital

120 N Oak St
Hinsdale

Adventist LaGrange Memorial Hospital

5101 S Willow Springs Rd
Lagrange

Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center

836 W Wellington Ave
Chicago

Aldeen, Dr. Amer

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Barbara Potaczek MD

172 E Schiller St
Elmhurst

Benjamin Stull MD

1740 W Taylor Street
Chicago

Bhavesh Gandhi MD

16151 Weber Rd
Crest Hill

Bilskey, Dr. Patrick

472 N Route 47
Sugar Grove

Carissa Tyo MD

430 Warrenville Road
Chicago

Carlos Duarte MD

300 Randall Rd
Geneva

Central Dupage Hospital

25 N Winfield Rd
Winfield

Chan, Dr. Jennifer

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Chung, Dr. Catherine

2300 N Childrens Plz
Chicago

Clumpner, Dr. Jennifer J.

600 S Paulina St
Chicago

Come Out From Under

3941 N Kimball Ave
Chicago

Connor, Dr. Patrick

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Copps, Dr. Paul

472 N Route 47
Sugar Grove

Courtney, Dr. Mark

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Crovetti, Dr. Gregory E

1 Erie Ct
Oak Park

CVS Minute Clinic

4801 N Central Ave
Chicago

Delnor Community Hospital

300 Randall Rd
Geneva

Doctors Immediate Care

1120 E Ogden Ave
Naperville

Donahue, Dr. Brian J.

1300 E Central Rd
Arlington Heights

Dupage Medical Group

3743 Highland Ave
Downers Grove

DuPage Medical Group - Edward Hospital

801 S Washington St
Naperville

Edward Hospital-Emerg Medicine

801 S Washington St
Naperville

Edwards Hines Hospital

1 S 5th Ave
Hines

Elmhurst Clinic

172 E Schiller St
Elmhurst

Emergency Medicine

5841 S Maryland
Chicago

Good Samaritan Health & WLLNSS

3815 Highland Ave
Downers Grove

Handler, Dr. Jonathan A.

251 W Huron St
Chicago

Hickey, Dr. Colleen

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Hilton, Dr. Joshua

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

James Brown MD

1200 S York Rd
Elmhurst

Kaplan, Dr. Seth I.

2320 High St
Blue Island

Keene, Dr. Murray

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Khare, Dr. Rahul

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Kimberly Murphy MD

1225 W Lake St
Melrose Park

Kippenhan, Dr. Matthew

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Kleinmaier, Dr. Matthew

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Koutouzis, Dr. Theodore

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Kumar, Dr. Alan

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Lareau, Dr. Erin

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Layola Burn Center

2160 S First Ave
Maywood

Lockport Express Medical

16221 W. 159th Street
Lockport

Loyola University Medical Center

2160 S First Ave
Maywood

Malik, Dr. Sanjeev

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Mariusz Rogalski MD

16001 Executive Dr
Crest Hill

Mccarthy, Dr. Danielle

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Mcgee, Dr. Danielle

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

McPartlin, Dr. Richard F.

3743 Highland Ave
Downers Grove

Melrose Park Immediate Care

106 N 19TH AVE
Melrose Park

Mercy Hospital and Medical Center

2525 S Michigan Ave
Chicago

Midwest Heart Specialists

801 S Washington St
Naperville

Midwest Orthopedics at Rush

1611 W Harrison St
Chicago

NCH Medical Group - Arlington Heights

1538 N Arlington Heights Rd
Arlington Heights

Northwest Community Hospital

800 W Central Rd
Arlington Heights

Northwest Community Wellness

900 W Central Rd
Arlington Heights

Northwestern Memorial Hospital

240 E Ontario St
Chicago

Pang, Dr. Peter

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Patel, Dr. Ramesh N.

330 Madison St
Joliet

Patrascu, Dr. Oana

472 N Route 47
Sugar Grove

Physician Delivery Systems

350 S. Northwest Hwy
Park Ridge

Polin, Dr. Kenneth S

6374 N Lincoln Ave
Chicago

Rainbow Hospice Ark Inpatient Unit

1601 N Western Ave
Park Ridge

Rizzo's Pharmacy Technician School

P.O. Box 1307
Bedford Park

Rush University Medical Center

1653 W Congress Pkwy
Chicago

Rush-Copley

2000 Ogden Ave
Aurora

Saad, Dr. Michael

430 Warrenville Road
Lisle

Saint Francis Hospital

355 Ridge Ave
Evanston

Sangita Rangala MD

801 S Washington St
Naperville

Schmidt, Dr. Michael

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

Silver Cross

1275 W Roosevelt Rd
West Chicago

Steven Coker MD

25 N Winfield Rd
Winfield

Strnad, Dr. Robert G.

353 E Burlington St
Riverside

Ted Shieh MD

430 Warrenville Road
Lisle

Thompson, Dr. David

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

University of Chicago Medical Center

5841 S Maryland Ave
Chicago

Velagapudi, Dr. Anita

472 N Route 47
Sugar Grove

Wallner, Dr. Elisabeth I

676 N Saint Clair St
Chicago

Westin, Dr. Craig D.

150 N Michigan Ave
Chicago

Zull, Dr. David

211 E Ontario St
Chicago

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