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did a great job with the knob & tube fixes and installations. They arrived when they said they would, kept" all working area clean, made minimal holes in the walls to do the knob & tube fixes, and were very friendly and professional.
even asked in advance if I had a cat or dog that might try to get free, in the context of bringing all the needed working equipment in the house. The experience of what to do, how to do it and when to do it was there. I would definitely use
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-Victoria M.

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"I called to set up a time. They were booked for 2 weeks. I set up an appointment for the 3rd week. I made a special trip to the other side of town to make sure" I had everything ready for them. It turned out to be a no show. When I called to see what happened,
didn't even have me down for an appointment. In setting up the next appointment, there was confusion as to the correct address. I emailed my correct address. The day they were to come, I called
an hour prior to re-confirm the appointment and my address. I also texted my address. The installers were running a 1/2 hour late, and they still went to my work address. Later that night I received an email with an apology and he said he would get me a refund. 5 minutes later, he texted me to tell ME to call Angie's List for the refund. Additionally, I could only make appointments with them at night after 6:00 which if I would have known prior, I would have never bought the package.
apologized, but 2 months later, I'm still without lights in my elderly mother's bedroom. Very disappointing and frustrating, and a huge waste of my time and energy.

-Valerie H.

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THE Cost of the recessed light is largly determinate on Where ,You purchase the product and the number you buy .Big Box dicount stores have products made oversea's that are less expensive than those found at Custom Bath & Kitchen Stores , but the products are often riddled with problems , missing parts , defects etc,

 

A typical light will run $ 35.00 to $ 85.00

 

However , the true cost of recessed lighting is involved in getting circuits or circuity to the switch and lighting system .In NEW construction , this matter is easily dealt with by installing circuits and   hardware during framing . Whereas , with remodeling , installing new lighting into existing spaces , requires wall & ceiling opening ,closure , repair , repainting & finishing

 

I have been involved in projects where the lighting cost but $500.00 ,,

while the installation & finishing costs exceeded $ 2500.00

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Here is about the same question (for 1 fan) a while back, with answer:

http://answers.angieslist.com/how-cost-install-ceiling-fan-ceiling-light-exists-q46721.aspx

Your total cost could be from 1.5-3 times that shown in the answer, depending on how much of the wiring for the three fans he can combine - i.e. can he easily run one power circuit for all 3 fans, then just tap off that for switches and runs to the fans, are they fans only or with lights (double the wiring and switches), etc. Note the costs do NOT include drywall/panelling repair or painting to match. Also, you are going to be near the top end of the estimates, because in all probability your access is poor, and 3 fans are almost certain to require a totally new run from the breaker box.

Unless you have an open exposed-joist attic above where the fans are to go AND the top of the walls the switches will go in, you can expect substantial holes in walls and ceiling to pull the wires and fasten them - by code, you cannot just pull wires between joist and let them lie on the top of the ceiling drywall - you have to staple them to joists every few feet, so you end up with several 1-2 foot holes typically near top of the wall (to drill through top plate), near side of ceiling to grab and bend wire coming up wall, and maybe one mid-ceiling to reach in and fasten wire, then of course the two openings that are ultimately fully concealed by the switch plate and the fan mounting plate or dome.

Before you get into this project I would check with the condo management if you are allowed to do this - there are limits to how much you can modify your condo and how much you can modify or add in the way of electric circuits.

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Ahhhh - the light bulb comes on - but I didn't see the rabbit - it must have made it down the hole. Was I right about you upgrading the bulbs from a lower wattage, and that is when they started going out ?

 

I seriously doubt it is the track, from what you say and especially since the one head works fine at various places along the track. My guess - because these are apparently 110V track but 12V transformer INSIDE the head that mounts to the track, I would say it is the transformer overheating - a VERY common thing with modern electronics and cheap transformers from China. Commonly they have a thermal protector that cuts out when overheated, but overheating 2 or 3 times is normally fatal for them. I bet the transformers have fried, and that even the ones still working are smoked and probably have deformed plastic around them.

 

The unit is rated to 75W max, and the bulbs you have are 75W and of a design that provides little airflow around them (zero if you are using the glass cover plates for the heads) and has a lot of heat in the upper portion of it - in my opinion just another dumb design. I will give 10:1 odds there are not air holes in the top of the heads either - UL should ban that practice. 

 

Personally, if it were all new I would return it all for my money back right off. Since the track and some heads are old and you are invested in them already, I would gather up receipts and eMail the manufacturer about the issue, and the number of heads that have gone out (old and new combined) and see what they say. I would suspect they will offer to at least send replacements if you send the receipts and bad heads. I would then return any unused bulbs for credit to wherever you got them, and get different bulbs. You will have to ask the manufacturer if the transformer circuitry can handle MR16 GU5.3 base LED bulbs - Amazon has them, if your heads can take them - will run a LOT cooler. Otherwise, 50 Watt Halogen bulbs should fit and might run cool enough to not overheat ?

 

With transformers in the heads, I would use LED bulbs if compatible with transformer and circuitry.

 

BTW - you did not say if you tried the "dead" bulbs in the "good" heads - my guess (do just a short test) is they will work, and the bulbs are not the problem at all - it is the transformers.

 

Your other option. and what I would do unless you are attached to this style fixture or it is mounted to ceiling permanently and you do not know how to change it (or don't want to), so would cost about $125 for an electrician to come out: is to get what you can in refund from the manufacturer (or distributor, if they have good defect return policy), scrap the whole system, and save a LOT of money in the long run on energy costs by going to a 120V CFL or LED bulb system. Use LED if this is a short-term use system, or CFL only if one that will be on for many hours at a time - they burn out quick in frequent short use applications, but go seems like forever in long term use. I have one 60W (equivalent) GE CFL that I use as a nightlight but stays on 24/365 and has been on continuously for over 4 years without burning out. A number of identical ones we tried in applications where they were only on for a few minutes at a time went back under warranty after in a few months. If you are looking for a true "spot" light, then I recommend LED anyway, unless you don't like their "artificial" light.

 

Here is the info sheet on your unit, with company contact info at bottom:

http://www.noralighting.com/uploads/specs/NTL-202_2202.pdf

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Depends a tremendous amount on access - if accessible from exposed-joist in attic above, then you might get this for about $300-500 or so for the wiring and installation, plus $200-400 for the materials and dimmer switches, plus the cost of the light fixtures themselves. Probably about $100-150 to repair ceiling if single hole for one fixture, to $200-300 if existing trough-type flourescent fixtures. Painting the repair could be $100 - 250 depending on whether he can match the patch, or has to repaint the entire ceiling to get a uniform effect - which is more common in kitchens, which usually have untextured ceilings and gloss paint. Another alternative it is have the hole patched and prime and plain paint it yourself, then cover the area with a decorative emblem or crest to avoid having to repaint the whole ceiling. Personally I would just put a compatible style fixture in its place, which you might or might not choose to use, so you avoid the cost of repairing the hole and painting entirely, as that is "lost" $.

If the kitchen/dining room ceiling is not accessible from above, then the electrician will have to tear into wall and ceilings, so installation labor might go to $400-600, and drywall reapir and painting probably to about $400-600, depending on how many holes the elecrtrician has to put in and assuming entire surface painting to get a uniform paint look on each disturbed wall or ceiling.

One possibility for savings might be low voltage lighting for some of the kithcen fixtures, which might reduce your wiring cost and number of holes if you do not have attic access.

Be careful on the dimmable LED bulbs - be aware that dimmable bulbs generally cost a lot more, and many brands don't perform well in dimming mode because they are designed to run at a constant voltage, and a lot will not dim past about 40% power before they flick out or start flickering. Some will actually fry the electronics and burn up at lower voltage. Also, there are three different types of dimmers and different bulbs need a different type dimmer switch, so you will have to be careful to always buy the right type bulb, and use all the same type bulb in a given circuit. Here is an article on the types of problmes you can have with LED dimming, even with bulbs designed to be dimmed -

http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Education-Training/Pages/LCE/DimmingCFLsandLEDs.aspx

Lighting Installation reviews in Madison

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He was fantastic. He came out within a couple of weeks after I signed up for the Big Deal. The service did not cost more than the Big Deal purchase, but I had him do some extra stuff. He was very friendly, just went right to work, and did what was needed to be done. He was very efficient. He knew exactly what he was doing and what to look for. He tested my lamps to make sure they were wired right. The lamps are working superior. We will be doing some work next year and we plan on using him.
- bill S.
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I gave
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a list of items I'd like done. He said the Angie's List coupon with which I had hired him was for two hours of labor only, and that they would bill for any material used. OK, so then the list came down to installing a sconce with an outlet in the wall below. He said it would require work within the attic and that the work could not be done until the weather, and therefore attic, cooled down. OK, so it cools down two months later; I call back,
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sends one of his employees who says the job is not possible because of the way the attic is laid out (
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had looked up in the attic as well and had not seen a problem). So the employee says
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will reimburse me, and fixed a couple of wall outlets that weren't working right--easy, straightforward rewires which took less than a half hour to do. I never heard from them again. So I was out any remainder of the Angie's coupon, the $200 estimate, and the price of the sconce.
- Sara C.
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installed 3 can lights and 3 pendants in my kitchen. It was a bit more difficult than they first thought. It was necessary to use the attic and had to run more wire and add switches. We love what they did. Very professional and even cleaned up afterwards.
- COLLEEN C.
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Every project I've completed with
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. has been an excellent experience.
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's first trip out was very, very short notice (same day) and he still came out and fixed some old wiring preventing me from installing a ceiling fixture. He was pleasant, professional and efficient.
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, one of the other electricians, came out a couple of weeks later to install some sconces and a new outlet in my bathroom. He also cleaned up some messy old wiring found behind some paneling that was coming through my hardwood floors. He, too, was very professional and efficient.
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completed the installation of a very old, rewired fixture for me just today. He, too, was prompt, efficient and professional.
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clearly hires excellent employees who seem to genuinely enjoy their work and the people they work with. They've been respectful of my home and my time every time they've worked on projects here and I cou.
To date, I don't think I've had a better experience with a service provider. Thank you!

- Kathleen F.
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Went pretty good. They were on time. They ran into a problem with the new fixture and they worked with the vendor to get a replacement fixture that same day. They also installed a wall sconce with no issues.
- Joe B.
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This was a minor call out for
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but he has previously done a lot of work for me, including complete indoor and outdoor wiring on a large house remodel. The work was done professionally and in a timely manner. He is courteous and friendly and he has come out promptly if needed for post installation service. I would happily recommend his services for electrical work.
- Tina B.
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The representative got product information before coming, and brought a replacement in case it was needed. It was needed, and he was able to replace the fixture without making another trip.
- Kathleen T.
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We purchased the "deal" for recessed lights through Angie's list, then contacted the company. We were able to get an appointment quickly. They were very responsive to any questions. They also let us know when they would be there and what to expect. The work went smoothly and they cleaned up well. It was a very good experience.
- Jane B.

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5630 Wolf Rd
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8820 N Greenview Dr
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A H Remodeling LLC

306 Eugenia Ave
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3926 Calvert Rd
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Advanced Home Services

837 Royster Ave
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5245 Voges Rd
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2922 Syene Rd
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AMBIANCE

146 W JAMES ST
Columbus

American Enterprises Inc

5119 Bong Rd
Waunakee

ANB Home Transitions

6907 University Ave
Middleton

AnneMarie Design llc

5637 Easy Street
Waunakee

B&B Home Renovations

24 sinykin cir

Blair Lawn & Landscape Inc

3030 Gateway Pl
Madison

Camelot Interiors Inc

7609 Elmwood Ave
Middleton

CLARK CONSTRUCTION

121 HANOVER STREET
Janesville

CLARK ELECTRIC

808 Railroad St.
New Glarus

Classic Copper Works

9337 Spring Cypress Rd

Clear Choice USA Windows

W8194 Thompson Rd
Poynette

COOPER CUSTOM BLDRS

General Delivery
Baraboo

Country Painters

123 Orchard St
Edgerton

Custom Metals, Inc.

4544 Don's Rd
Madison

Degnan Design Builders Inc

134 Ethun Pl
De Forest

Design Electric of Madison, Inc

6320 Monona Dr
Madison

DJ Fabulust

436 East Bluff
Madison

E & S Electric

251 Blue Mounds St
Mount Horeb

Electric Medic - A division of Gaffney Electric

1897 Broadway Rd
Wisconsin Dells

Energy Efficient Solutions, LLC

2997 Yarmouth Greenway Dr
Fitchburg

ENLIGHTEN ELECTRIC

115 Lincoln Avenue
Prairie Du Sac

Epic Electric Inc.

721 Pony Lane

Euro-American Design & Building

2935 S. Fish Hatchery Rd. #392
Madison

Ever Ready Electric, Inc.

6900 Pape Road
Mazomanie

First Electric LLC

P.O. Box 930345
Verona

Fix'm Home Repairs LLC

PO Box 620795
Middleton

H & H Electric Co Inc

3201 Latham Dr
Madison

Handy Harry LLC

730 15th St.
Prairie Du Sac

Handyman Solutions LLC.

902 N High Point Rd
Madison

Happy To Help Home Improvement

5725 Elder Pl
Madison

Helping Hands Electric LLC

PO Box 46413
Madison

Hill Electric

1513 Emil St
Madison

Hill's Wiring Inc

615 W Hill St
Baraboo

INDOCARA

120 N Baldwin St
Madison

Isthmus Electric LLC

4614 Milwaukee St
Madison

ISTHMUS LIGHTING

6701 WATTS RD
Madison

J&K Security Solutions

1605 S. Park Street
Madison

Jack of All Trades Handyman

406 N Walbridge
Madison

JNS Remodeling

46 N West Sedgemeadow St
Elkhorn

JOHN POTTER

3537 BASALT LN
Madison

Johnson-Phoenix Group L.L.C.

PO Box 14600
Madison

Jordan Exteriors

102 Kensington Ln
Waunakee

KITCHEN IDEAS CTR

2016 S STOUGHTON RD
Madison

KITCHEN SOLVERS

6516 Monona Drive
Madison

Kittleson Landscape Inc

10486 County ID
Blue Mounds

KRANTZ ELECTRIC INC

2650 N NINE MOUND RD
Verona

LaFore Art & Design LLC

7818 Big Sky Dr
Madison

LAMPLIGHTER

2602 NORWICH ST
Madison

Larson Electric

4606 Meredithe Ave
Madison

laurie electric and contracting

6143 dell dr.
Madison

Let Mikey Do It

5114 Butterfield Dr
Madison

Lunar Homes & Development

412 Coyle Parkway
Cottage Grove

Mad City Remodeling

4703 buss rd
Cottage Grove

Marling Lumber

1801 E Washington St
Madison

MIDDLETON ELECTRIC

7725 Westman Way Rd
Middleton

Mr Sparky LLC

4840 Ivywood Trl
Mcfarland

MURPHY ELECTRIC LLC

1836 FRISCH RD
Madison

Northside Electric

1806 Sheridan Dr
Madison

Over the Top Roofing & Construction

N59 W14464 Bobolink Ave
Menomonee Falls

PARKS ELECTRICAL

7411 VOSS PKWY
Middleton

PREFERRED ELECTRIC & HEATING

6891 LEONARD RD
De Forest

Premier Building Solutions LLC

1204 Green Valley Rd
Mount Horeb

Premier Co-op

501 W Main St
Mount Horeb

Project Home

1966 S Stoughton Rd
Madison

Property Image LLC

967 Jonathon Dr
Madison

RENEW-IT

3145 County Trunk Ab
Mc Farland

Renovate This Place, LLC

17 Arial Cir
Madison

ROBERTS DISTRIBUTING

4173 MANITOU WAY
Madison

Robin Hood Plumbing, LLC

10 Iris Bloom Cir
Madison

Royal Exteriors

3599 Heatherstone Ridge
Sun Prairie

Scentsy Fragrance

8530 Greenway Blvd.
Middleton

Scott Kiel Electric

435 N Ingersoll St
Madison

SELECTRIC INC

P.O. Box 259811
Madison

SIMPLY STATED INTERIORS LLC

P.O. Box 92
Sun Prairie

Solarian US

2617 Saint Davids Lane

Solatube Brighter Concepts Ltd

1706 E Capitol Dr
Milwaukee

SWEITZER ELECTRIC LLC

PO BOX 628494
Middleton

The Electrician Inc

515 Springdale St
Mount Horeb

Time 2 Remodel LLC

1218 Gilson St
Madison

Tomkins Electric Co Inc

2402 County Rd MM
Oregon

Troll Home Maintenance & Makeover LLC

915 County Highway H
Mt. Horeb

Waunakee Remodeling Inc

1001 Frank H St
Waunakee

Webster Bath Remodeling

W2888 Conway Trl
Belleville

World Class Outdoor Lighting

Pine Hollow Ct
Waukesha

ZWEIFEL ELECTRIC

3567 STATE RD 78
Mount Horeb

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