How unlicensed contractors can cost you

How unlicensed contractors can cost you

It's down to two. You've vetted a long list of contractors. Wheat has emerged from chaff. Now the final decision gets tough. Each appeals to you for different reasons. They're almost identically qualified, with one difference: one's licensed, the other isn't.

Questions float through your head: What does it really mean to be licensed? Why are some contractors licensed and others not? And the ultimate question: Does it matter?

You're not alone in your confusion. Contractors feel it, too. Licensing rules vary state to state. Most states require a license for at least a few home-improvement trades, some don't. Some cities and counties require additional licenses, some don't. Some states and municipalities strictly enforce their licensing laws, most don't.

Once contractors think they've got the rules figured out for where they work, another unhappy epiphany dawns: not everyone — homeowners or contractors — knows the rules. And not everyone plays by the rules. Contractors pay a tidy sum to play by the rules, which makes it hard for them to compete against those who don't. Homeowners can pay the price when they fail to distinguish between the two.

What follows are several stories about homeowners and contractors across the country negotiating the complicated world of trade licensing. In each you'll see the complexities and frustrations encountered in a system that can be called many things, but definitely cannot be called simple.

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Portland painter falls hard for licensing

Fifteen years ago, one of Eric Hernanz' employees fell off a ladder. The fall resulted in a broken elbow and a sky-high medical bill — about $18,000. Hernanz, owner of Hernanz Painting in Tigard, was young and "borderline destitute" at the time, but he had his Oregon contractor's license, which requires workers' compensation insurance. And his insurance paid the bill.

But what if he wasn't licensed and didn't have insurance? "My employee very well could have sued the homeowner for medical bills and lost wages since it happened on his property," Hernanz says. "Unlicensed contractors put their own clients at risk if someone's injured on the job."

The incident illustrates why Hernanz still cares — really cares — about contractors being licensed. "Choosing to go with an unlicensed contractor is like a drug user choosing to perpetuate the drug dealing system," he says. "I feel very strongly that there are moral and ethical implications, as well as tangible reasons, for being licensed."

According to research compiled by Angie's List Magazine, contractors must demonstrate proof of insurance as part of obtaining a trade license or registering in 39 states. Claire Wilkinson, vice president of global issues for the Insurance Information Institute, says the first thing a homeowner should do before hiring is ask for proof of a license and insurance.

Liability insurance covers property damage and bodily injury caused by that contractor's work. Homeowners should also make certain the contractor's insurance policy includes workers' compensation, which covers injuries the contractor's employees may suffer while on the job, says Dean Herriges, vice president of the National Association of the Remodeling Industry. If a contractor doesn't have these types of insurance, consumers could end up paying out of their own pocket if their homeowner's policy is insufficient to cover the bills, Herriges says.

Bonding is also important, which is why many licensing and some registration boards require it as well. Bonds protect homeowners if the company performs shoddy work, doesn't finish the project, or fails to pay subcontractors and suppliers.

The economy makes these assurances all the more important. There's been a surge in unlicensed painters in the Portland area, Hernanz says, as contractors take financial shortcuts by not paying licensing and insurance fees. And he says the penalty if caught working without a license deters no one. "The fines are a slap on the wrist," he says.

Oregon Construction Contractors Board Enforcement Manager Rich Blank responds that unlicensed contractors face increased fines for repeat offenses, and that the board will ultimately seek criminal charges if the first few sanctions don't work.

In June alone, Hernanz bid four jobs against competitors he believes to be unlicensed. "A telltale sign is a too-good-to-be-true price," he says. In those cases, Hernanz e-mails the customers, explaining the increased costs of being licensed. He encourages them to check with the state board to make sure the companies are properly licensed, bonded and insured. "I think it's important they know the risks," he says.

And he believes homeowners should be held criminally liable for knowingly hiring unlicensed contractors. "They're contributing to fraud and cutting into the business of legitimate companies," he says.

He knows it's unlikely that punishing homeowners will fly politically. But it doesn't dampen his resolve. "This isn't how I want it to be," he says.


Cincinnati electrician plays by the rules, but takes a hit

In June, a plumber friend of Charlie Fischer's was found in the basement of a house where he was working in Cincinnati. He lay on the floor, unconscious. Blood spilled out his mouth. He had bit almost entirely through his tongue. The man had been nearly electrocuted after bumping against an ungrounded fluorescent light fixture while holding a copper pipe.

"It went right through him," Fischer says of the 110 volts of electricity.

Fortunately, he was found and resuscitated, but he was taken to the hospital and lost the next week of work. And it happened because of shoddy electrical work — which Fischer says was done by an unlicensed electrician. To him, it was a sobering, 110-volt reminder about the importance of licensing.

"That's what licensing does," says Kay Fischer, Charlie's wife and business partner in Craftsman Electric Inc., a Super Service Award winner in Cincinnati. "It proves you have the knowledge and you really do know your trade."

The couple points to the extensive training and testing required of each of their electricians in order to stay licensed. The ongoing education, they say, ensures quality work that will keep clients safe from fire and electrical accidents such as the one that felled their friend. "We want things done right," Charlie says. "But that comes at a cost."

The company operates in municipalities across southwestern Ohio and northern Kentucky. It requires navigating a complex array of licensing requirements of both states and the various cities and counties within.

"It's very confusing, and it goes on and on," Kay says. The company prides itself on meeting every licensing requirement, which they estimate tacks an extra $30,000 a year onto their operating costs.

In Kentucky, the diligence pays off, they say. Every job requires pulling a permit, and contractors must show proof of licensing to get the permit. "All licensing is done through the state," Charlie says, "then local inspectors enforce it."

And the system, he says, works. Across the Ohio River, it's a different world.

"If you put your name on the side of a pickup truck, you can do all the electrical work you want in Cincinnati," Charlie says. "Nobody's going to stop you."

Electrical companies are required to be licensed through the state of Ohio, but there's little enforcement, he says. The state's licensing board has two enforcement agents statewide, says Matt Mullins, spokesman for the Ohio Department of Commerce, which appoints the 17-member licensing board.

Further, unlicensed contractors must be caught by agents in the act of performing jobs. That practice is fairly common in states that require contractors to be licensed, says Ginenne Lanese, program coordinator for the National Association of State Contractor Licensing Agencies.

In Cincinnati, a law passed in January 2008 mandates permits for all construction work within the city limits be issued only to registered contractors. But Kay says she's never had to show proof of registration when pulling a permit in the city.

The unlicensed contractors have a financial advantage without the overhead costs of getting employees licensed. "There's no way we can compete with them," Charlie says, even though he continues to offer residential services despite the higher costs. "If you play by the rules you get penalized."


Los Angeles contractor is unlicensed and proud of it

"He understands doors to a greater degree than I would have guessed was possible ... He works fast and the quality is excellent."

These quotes, from two recent reviews of Los Angeles area contractor Patrick K. Stone and his Door Dr. business, sum up Angie's List members' experience with him. In 32 reports, he has earned an A for his work 32 times. Thirteen members have nominated him for Pages of Happiness. He was a Super Service Award winner in 2008. Clearly, he's a professional and a fair dealer.

But he's also something else: illegally unlicensed. And he's not about to apologize for it.

"It's a joke," he says of California licensing laws. "If you had to be good at your job, that would be one thing. But anyone can pay a fee and get a license."

Stone is hardly the only contractor with such views. In interviews across the country, similar themes repeated themselves: I do quality work, have insurance and don't need to pay for a piece of paper.

Others might not be openly proud of being unlicensed, but simply fly under the radar. Kevin Darosa, owner of highly rated Kevin Darosa Home Improvements in the Boston area, has operated without the state-mandated registration — required for jobs worth more than $500 — on and off again for roughly 10 years.

"You're the first person who's ever asked me about [it]," Darosa told Angie's List Magazine. However, he says he's considering getting registered for tax purposes.

Relo Interior Services, a highly rated Angie's List SSA winner based in Tampa, Fla., holds no contracting license.

"I don't need a license, because all the work is done by my subcontractors, who are licensed, insured and carry workers' comp," says Relo president Tony Hough, who interprets the law differently than state and county regulators who say he's considered a contractor and doing unlicensed work under Florida law if he accepts money or negotiates contracts for a job.

Hough later told his Angie's List advertising account manager his attorney is checking into the laws and any discrepancies would be corrected.

Stone and Darosa say their customers rarely ask about licensing. "I could count on one hand how many times I've been asked for a license," Stone says. "I think most people just want someone who will do a good job."

But homeowners should care, says Rick Lopes, public affairs officer for the Contractors State License Board in California. "Consumers can suffer serious financial consequences," he says.

Stone says he works alone, so any injuries he suffers would be paid for by his own medical insurance. He adds that he's careful not to take jobs that appear dangerous. "I'm very cautious," he says.

And he's not nervous about getting caught. Currently, state law fines up to $1,000 for working without a license, a misdemeanor offense. Stone says such a wrist-slap isn't likely to deter him or others, although a bill making it through the state legislature would increase the maximum penalty to $5,000.

"I think it's ludicrous," Stone says of the higher fine. "The state's got to make any revenue they can. They just want to take my money."

Lopes says the CSLB is self-funded, so the fines don't benefit the state. Further, Lopes admits that enforcement agents don't typically target small-scale offenders. "We just don't have the resources," he says. "We're trying to find the worst of the worst and work our way down."

Other contractors in the LA area have mixed views about their unlicensed peers. "If everybody was licensed, we'd all have the same overhead costs," says Dan Eyre of Dan's Landscape and Maintenance, a licensed 2008 SSA winner. "How can licensed contractors compete?"

But Stephen Hume of Hi- Performance Plumbing, another licensed 2008 SSA winner, points out an unexpected benefit. "I've been called in to fix their plumbing, so I'm making money off unlicensed contractors," he says. "Some customers are looking for a deal, and they get what they pay for."


Philadelphia homeowner goes after unlicensed inspector

Her friend, a general contractor, told Allison Sacks that Safe Haven Home Inspections was trustworthy. Owner Michael McKinney was licensed in both New Jersey and Philadelphia, according to his business card.

With those assurances, she hired McKinney to inspect her first home last April. He did the inspection and pointed out major and minor defects that helped her negotiate a lower purchase price when she closed in May.

However, when she started having things fixed prior to moving into the house, the surprises started — obvious problems Sacks says McKinney hadn't noticed. The brick facade had a 2-inch bulge that required having massive metal "starbolts" drilled through joists between the first and second floors, according to Sacks. In addition, she says two windows had been screwed shut to apparently hide the fact they were falling out of the frames.

"I had no idea about these problems and it was a week and a half before I moved in," she says.

Sacks says she got an estimate to fix the problems: $4,550. She contacted McKinney via e-mail: "The two issues ... are located in readily accessible and visually observable areas of the structure and should have been noted during the home inspection," she wrote.

She asked for compensation for the cost of the repairs and says he offered only to reimburse the cost of the inspection: $450. She then took her case to licensing boards in Philadelphia and New Jersey, where his business card claims he's licensed, and got another unwelcome surprise.

The Philadelphia license number was bogus — it didn't match the license number he once held, which had expired in 2006, according to city spokeswoman Maura Kennedy. And his New Jersey license? Records showed it had expired more than a year earlier.

"He's not accountable to anyone," Sacks says. "He just laughed at me." Worse, she filed a complaint with the city's business compliance department, which informed her that he must be caught in the act of doing an inspection without a license in order to prosecute. Kennedy confirmed the policy. "We don't have unlimited resources," she says.

With no option for reimbursement through licensing boards, Sacks filed suit in Philadelphia municipal court. A year later, in June, the court sided with her, ordering McKinney to pay her $4,605. But because the business is registered in New Jersey, the case must be transferred there.

McKinney, who has an F rating on Angie's List due to Sacks' review, didn't return phone messages seeking comment. Sacks, who became a member because of her nightmare experience, says she has no expectation of collecting the money.

But the experience taught Sacks an important lesson: check license numbers with licensing boards. Just because contractors claim to be licensed doesn't mean they are. "It was an expensive learning experience," she says. "He taught me how to be a better consumer."


— additional reporting by Staci Giordullo, Mason King, Diana Lamirand, Robin Mohr, Jackie Norris, Joshua Palmer, Paul F.P. Pogue and Kristen Rojowski


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In this "land of the free", and with the economy as sick as it is, should a homeowner have the freedom to choose who works for him? Or should government seek the position of savior/protector of the "ignorant masses" and require everyone to pay extra for the certified kosher? Why not just allow licensing to be voluntary, and let those homeowners who insist on having a licensed contractor freely make that choice, and let everyone else freely make their choices? Really, this is not about safety, but control. We don't need more big brother breathing down our necks, restricting our freedoms in the name of safety and security.

I disagree with Bryan's premise. After thirty years and being surrounded by unincorporated areas and many unlicensed electricians I can say with absolute certainty that whatever else drives licensing is without doubt about certainty. I was recently called to examine an electrician due to the wiring of a dryer circuit that was incorrectly installed by an unlicensed electrician. Licensing is about control and is essential for safety.

A homeowner DOES have the freedom to choose and licensing is voluntary. I do tend to agree that licensing is just the state's way to bring in income, although I think the attempt is there to try to ensure a level of skill. My big mistake(well, among many!) was the idea or thought that licensing DID ensure that level of skill. I should have realized it doesn't because I work in the nursing field and that isn't true in that field either!!! Turned out my guy lied about being licensed anyway....just more carefully checking the person out is all you can really do, licensed or unlicensed.

First off I disagree with everyone that says a license is just a way that the state makes revenue. It is a way to maintain safe work practices as well as protecting consumers. It is definitely necessary that the government enforces licensing laws, especially in the electrical trade. To become a journeyman electrician you need 8000 hours of on the job training and 720 hours of classroom theory. After your 4 years of being an apprentice and recording your 8000 hours you can apply for the journeyman's test. This test consists of 70 code questions and you are given 3 hours to complete it. Although this test allows the use of an open code book it carries nearly a 50% failure rate. Of course there will be the occasional licensed electrician that doesn't do the greatest work but at least you know for certain he or she knows minimum safety standards. Electrical work is not something that you should mess around with because you may injure yourself or others. I would also like to stress checking contractors backgrounds by means listed above before hiring them, this will keep you safe from fraud and unsafe work.

Caleb, I agree about electricians. Both of my brothers are union electricians and my father retired after over 40 years as a union electrician. I do not think they hold contractors to the same high standard though. I don't know, but I am guessing they just take the test....not the thousands of work hours before the test that you are talking about for electricians. I think the states use the license as an attempt to hold people to a higher standard, but if they don't enforce the laws, it becomes a joke and in my mind, just a source of revenue.

Caleb finally said it well enough to be heard so Hear, Hear!

Licensing is about being able to legally perform and contract work according to state statutes. Being able to properly permit and have inspected the work performed. This to make sure work is being installed according to written building codes established over the last 100 years. A massive molasses storage container on the east coast burst open and created the first american building codes.

I just went through a horror show with an unlicensed handyman. The license # on his ad belonged to someone else, he had a bad address and couple of aliases. Next time I will call Consumer Affairs to verify the info first!

I compete with unlicensed "contractors" all the time. some do good work, some do not. You usually have more recourse against a licensed contractor, and a licensed contractor has recourse against you if you don't pay. An unlicensed has no legal recourse against you if you do not pay, that's why they ask for too much $$ up front. A well structured draw schedule protects both contractor and client from getting too far ahead of the money or the work. Best advice: Never pay for work until it's completed. If your contractor can't afford the materials (or have credit with suppliers), then you should not hire them. Caveat Emptor!

Licensing is just another pay-to-play proposition and is no guarantee of quality. What about states that don't require a license? I operate a successful HVAC business in Illinois, where no license is required. I do quality work that I back with a full guarantee. Some of the surrounding towns require certain trades to be licensed, but many of them allow open books during the exam. The best way to ensure quality is use of references and word of mouth. Licenses and orgs. like Angie's List are no guarantees that somebody is going to do the job right and unfortunately many people believe the opposite, and that is a shame.

Wonderful advice Michael!! Wish I knew then what I know now!

Well finding a licensed contractor and getting references sometimes doesnt even work? I went through this process to have my roof done. They started the job and left the top of my house with only tar paper on it, over an 8 day peroid I called 5 times asking when they were going to finish. On the 6th call I explained that my living room was ceiling was leaking, they came the next morning to fix. Had the city inspector come out and look at roof and living room. Its now been 35 days later and still have not got anything resolved as to the code violations on my roof nor the 1500 dollers in damage on my ceiling. So now who do I go to when the cost of collecting would be higher than the cost of the orginal roof job?

KatieJ...contractor fails, code officials have sympathy but does not provide you consumer lines of support (roofing really does not require a license in some states.) Then you need to revisit your homework. First off, if you have suffered damage do to work done, then you should contact your homeowners insurance. But, I do understand insurance, and how it works so I can understand your hesitation. You can open up a case with contractor's General Liability carrier, but because Liability doesn't necessarily mean what it means to us, utilize the authority of home insurance...believe me, they manage risks and will negotiate to have the problem fixed. You might hear others...but then your homeowner rates go up!...only if you were negligent in your due care and negligence and the contractor was not found negligent. Negligence and Liability are very tricky legal word, have a good conversation with your agent, find out what it will cost to make a claim.

Licensing and inspections are two separate creatures. I was a licensed contractor in Washington state 18-19 years ago, AND I was a contractor in Idaho for several years after that. Both states have building codes and inspections, but only WA required licensing for contractors. Inspections are plenty sufficient to ensure safety and code compliance. Contractor licensing, on the other hand, is redundant and IS NOT for safety... if it were for safety, then the state would require owner-builders to get licensed, but they don't... the state agrees that the inspection process is sufficient. If you want a licensed/certified/approved/kosher "expert", then by all means go pay extra for one. But don't force me to hire them and don't tell me it's for my safety. I've been around long enough and have seen plenty of licensed contractors who didn't know what they were doing. Licensing only adds to the customers costs and limits the customer's choices. If they want to hire someone they trust, but who is unlicensed, let them be and mind your own business. They don't need more bureaucratic do-gooders needlessly adding to their expenses.

We completed the licensing process last year. It is rigorous. Not only does the process verify education and experience, it also includes a credit check. Do you want a guy with bad credit lurking around your home? Most people with bad credit are irresponsible in one way or another. A credit check is a good indicator of what kind of person is in your bedroom while you're in the kitchen thinking how nice that man seems and that he gave you a good deal. Licensing is about value. If you want cheap, hire from CraigsList. Buyer beware.

Are you kidding me? "A credit check is a good indicator of what kind of person is in your bedroom while you're in the kitchen thinking how nice that man seems and that he gave you a good deal...." So people with bad credit are criminals now? That is absolutely without a doubt the stupidest thing I've ever heard in a forum. So I guess by this guy's logic people with bankruptcy and companies with bankruptcy are evil and not to be trusted. I've yet to draw a line from licensing to value,either. I don't see a connection there. Licensing is about control pure and simple. People get ripped off because they don't do their research, don't talk to neighbors and friends and don't check references. Licensing is no guarantee of quality. That is proven by the fact of how many contractors lose their licenses every year (how did they get them in the first place if they were so qualified?). And as far as your lowest bid theory....the space shuttle was built by the lowest bidder as are many weapon systems used by our armed forces, so that theory doesn't hold water at all.There is a reason not all states license ontractors, primarily because not all mechanical work needs to be licensed, people just have to do a better job of checking out a contractor first,and I don't mean with Angie's List and similar lists where all the contractor has to do is come up with their monthly payment and they will get listed.

Thanks for your comment, Chris! All ratings on service companies on Angie's List come from homeowners and consumers who share their experiences and grade their overall satisfaction. Contractors do not pay to be on Angie's List, nor can they rate themselves. This is the main difference between Angie's List and other similar services.

What if you want to do an odd jobs type of business? No particular focus, but doing a lot of things "around the house" for cheaper than professionals. Because there are bound to be plenty of people who, say, don't want to have to paint their guest room (or don't have time), but don't want to/can't afford a professional service. I'm hoping to start a business filling that void. I've done plenty of DIY stuff in my own home and that doesn't make me a professional, but I still figure I'm capable doing a good job. Is there licensing for that sort of thing? Insurance/bonding I know I've got to get for sure, but considering the nature of the business, getting a bunch of different licenses makes this venture not worth it. Certain things are out, of course. No way am I attempting electrical work in anyone's home but my own.

Hello, Mark! Thanks for your comment. To find out the licensing requirements in your area, check with your county and state governments' official websites. To find this, do a keyword search in a search engine for your location and the words "contractor license."

I have been taken advantage of by unscrupulous contractors as have these poor people who you cited in your articles. In my case, although I have been taken for many of thousands of dollars, I know I will never recover from these contractors so I feel that there is no point in pursuing them through the courts. I absolutely believe that these are criminal offenses and these people who commit "Theft by Deception" regularly, should be punished as any other thief would be. They should be sent to jail especially if they refuse to make restitution by paying pack the money they stole from their unsuspecting victims!

Licensed, unlicensed which way do I go as a Home owner? Lets think about this for a second. If you think that because your wallet can't handle hiring someone who is Properly Licensed & Insured Guess again. When this guy burns your house down because he is trying to solder a copper pipe deep in a bay of a house that is kindling. Because Mr. Home Improvement or Mr. Handy Man feels after all, how hard is it to solder a piece of pipe ? Hell I saw it done on You Tube or some DIY site a couple of times. As a Home owner you'll think at first, well he has a Home improvement CERTIFICATE he should have Insurance right? WRONG!! Let me play it out for you. He calls his insurance company and his agent says to him "we're not covering this !! You don't have a plumbing license ! Why were you doing PLUMBING work? OR why were you doing ELECTRICAL?? your Insurance only covers you for what you can legally be doing. The state does not allow a H.I.C. or Handy man to do jobs that require a license. And if they tell you different run em out of you home because they don't have your best interest at heart, only their wallet. What are they covered for? Painting, tile work, sheet rock, Hanging Drapes etc... You as the homeowner call your insurance company and they say " was he a licensed contractor ? if so than his insurance will cover it. If not then you should have never allowed him to do this type of work in your home. Now your wallet has lint balls falling out of it because you thought you were saving $30. Let me make something perfectly clear to all who think why do I need a LICENSE or this state don't require it. WHY does it take a true Tradesman 4 years of schooling and an apprenticeship program as well as Testing before he gets his license? The Health issues abound. Plumbers for lack of better words Protect the Health of the Nation. what do you think our healths would be like if no cared WHO did the plumbing. Why do you think there is a National BUILDING CODE. National PLUMBING CODE ELECTRICAL CODE. Heres some food for thought to all. Think back 10 - 15 years ago, how many Home Improvement Trucks did you see on the road. How many MR. Handy Men did you see ?? compared to these days. Why the big change? Well it started with home computers. The trades started showing a drop in apprentices coming up through the trades. The powers to be saw this as a problem in that if there are no plumbers to create a fair market place ( Competition ) then the ones that are out there will be able to name their price and the consumer will be caught between a rock and a hard place. This goes for all licensed trades. SO, how do we fix this? The answer: Lets pass out home improvement certificates to anyone who will pay $160 for it. These people don't have to prove any thing to get it. No past work record, no schooling, hell we don't even know if they know how to hold a hammer. We won't even have to police them because what they are doing isn't an arrestable offense. If in the event someone should get caught doing work without a license we'll fine them bringing in more revenue for the state. But the main goal was to keep a fair market place. Hell if I can't open up a doctors office and sell my wares as a Doctor / Plumber then why should these guys sell them selves as anything the homeowner needs them to be. LEGALLY they can't, but if no one is looking then who cares. I asked the state why is it that these guys can advertise on their trucks that they do it all Painting, Doors, Dishes, Electrical, Plumbing, Remodels, stone work, & oh yea Painting and no one says anything about it. Their answer " just because someone put that on their truck doesn't mean they do it." In my world if it quacks like a Duck and walks like a Duck then it is normally a DUCK. Why would a H.I.C advertise for their PLUMBER or electrician? BUYER BEWARE if one claims to do every thing then how much of that is good. Better yet RIGHT!! Remember there is good and bad in everything out there, meaning one pass his classes with flying colors and they other guy barley made it out of school Doctors, Lawyers, Plumbers, and Handymen.

I enjoyed this info very much. I wanted to leave my two cents. I am a mobile mechanic here in Miami. i have been licensed for a few years. Before I was licensed I was not happy. I didn't have insurance and I had to ask my customer to drive the car to do a test drive. Now I am all legal, yes I spend some money but I am relaxed. My customers appreciate the fact that their vehicle is not at risk with me. For the people that say no license is needed to do good work, yes it is true, But when you license you put yourself in a group that wants to offer the best to its customers. there are plenty of bad companies. So a customer has to do their homework and research the rating places available. I recommend the cities that require licensing to keep their prices low and also offer web pages where people can research and complaint/praise on licensed service providers.With all the money they charge they should give back to the consumers some how. Take some time and do a deep research. You will be really happy you did.

I was commenting on the contractor who has to have good credit to get a license. In Sept. 07 I was severely injured in a home invasion that almost took my life. I ended up with bad credit because of that situation and the only reason I was able to afford to fix my credit is because I became a licensed contractor

i have worked for many licensed contractors, making 20 or 30 bucks an hour and they charge the customer 90 bucks an hour off my back. then because i take to long to do the job right the first time i get the boot. contractors are only concerned with one thing how much they can pocket from the job in a short time of work, i know there are some bad workers and contractors but i feel the customer is boss and should get the best for there money, i work by word of mouth

I just started a handyman business in Illinois and I don't need a license but I am going to get one just for the consumer peace of mind, it's only $100 per year so i figure it's worth it. I can do a lot of stuff but I don't touch big electrical or plumbing. That stuff is for the professionals, not me. I'm not sure if licensing is good or bad but it can't hurt you if you do quality work and are honest and reliable. I would have to say that if you do good work and and are honest then the license is an option for you. I'm not out to take people's money unless they are satisfied with my work, then I'll take it gladly and come back and do more for them. Just my 2 cents.

i have been in the trades for 35 yrs. i know my limits , and there are people with a license that rip people off ,such as my old boss , a general contractor. Never gets a referal, or a call back .his scheduling sucks ,he lies to the homeowners and tries to get progress payments before the work is done , now he fired me because i didnt let him use me in his lies ,being his foreman there was no loyalty to me either .... so i agree .having a licence doesnt mean you will get better work. i have gone back to working for myself, and its all referral ,and word of mouth work done code or better. i have had my license some years ago so yes i do know the laws and codes and give all my clients a guarantee and great craftsmanship and will continue to do so because every client deserves to have peace of mind. as for some people being alone in the clients house, there are good and bad people every where so just because you have a license or a good credit rating doesnt mean you do good work or your honest. i like the fact that people should ask for references and check out some of these crooks out there with licenses.

ALWAYS hire a Licensed contractor that is fully INSURED. Have them provide a certificate of Insurance and copy of license BEFORE starting any work. Hiring someone who is uninsured will cost you MORE than a service call if he/she is injured on your property. At 20-30 dollars an hour it's highly unlikely they are insured, do your homework!

I think the government are crooks. If we are going on BAD CREDIT talk for licensing

Just wanted to leave my two cents on the subject. While a licensed contractor is great, in my state the limits for a general contractor is $30,000 and up. I own a home remodeling business. It is rare that a project ever comes near that amount and so I do not carry a license. I do however, carry full insurance coverage. In my opinion, you can't beat references to check quality of work and always check insurance or request a liability waiver.

Thank you so much for your article on “Contractor Licensing.” This is so important for consumer protection in Oregon, and the State Landscape Contractors Board commends you on informing your readers. Landscape Construction is a regulated industry in Oregon and the perception that “landscaping” deals only with maintenance is a challenge. Landscape maintenance is not regulated in Oregon, but the installation and construction of a landscape project is. It’s important for consumers to know this when they invest their dollars into such a project. Licensing affords them a certain level of protection that is not otherwise there.

I read the article about Allison Sacks from Philadelphia being taken by the unlicensed contractor. I’m in the same boat right now. [A contractor] put a 24 by 22 foot addition on my home. I had to keep paying him to get the work done, and he took me for thousands of dollars. It turned out, he wasn’t even licensed. It was my job to check into his license, but I was trusting. I, too, have become a much better consumer.

Thanks for including tips for verifying contractor licensing. This is very helpful. Recently, a few of my real estate clients have been having problems with contractors who don’t finish on time. Can you direct me towards any resources that might outline the important elements of a contractor contract?

We recently had work done by a licensed contractor in Georgia who was referred to us by our Realtor. The contractor completed the work and we paid, but about a month later we got a visit from that contractor’s supplier stating the contractor hadn’t paid him for the materials used on our house (more than $10,000 worth). The supplier said he had to put a lien on our house as the only recourse to try to get the money. I do understand it’s lawful for the supplier to do this, but what recourse do we have?

I read Allison Sack’s home inspector story with a pit in my stomach. We relied on our licensed buyers agent in Northern Virginia to recommend a home inspector. Our inspector also had a card stating [he was] licensed, insured and certified. He was none of the above. He missed very obvious signs of serious foundation problems (current estimates total more than $80,000) and a very obvious plumbing code violation that could lead to pipes bursting in the walls if it gets cold enough (they have frozen once already). He did return the amount of the inspection and has since filed bankruptcy.

Your articles contain good advice, but checking with state or local agencies for the details that you mention may not be enough. I’ve had two experiences where, despite a clean licensing/complaint record before hiring, the contractors allowed licensing to lapse or had a license suspended before my work was finished. In both cases, the jobs had to be completed by other licensed contractors to meet state or local code requirements. Periodic checking of license status during the work may help prevent a later surprise.

Your stories on contractors is a must-read. Thank you!

I'm an unlicensed Handyman in Oregon. I have 20+ years of experience in the construction trades, and I used to be licensed back when I did this full time. I have EXCELLENT references. Almost all of my business comes from referrals and I've never had a problem with ANY customer not being completely satisfied with my work. I always take care of my customers! While I do agree that some trades should require a license (namely structural, and serious plumbing and electric work) I think it's ridiculous to require someone to be a licensed contractor to mow your lawn or to install a screen door!! Make no mistake, licensing is all about being a revenue stream for the State and insurance and bonding companies (who lobby hard for rules favorable to their businesses) and other trade associations and contractor's boards who charge annual fees to contractors (like the one who posted above this message) and has very little to do with protecting consumers. Homeowners get ripped-off all the time by licensed contractors--a license is no guarantee against shoddy work or unscrupulous business practices!!! And, if the State actually cracks down on licensed contractors who are ripping-off consumers, all these folks have to do is re-register under another name, pay the state their fees, and they're off and running again! Licensing is about fees/money--it's not about consumer protection!! Handymen and others who perform basic homeowner services should NOT be required to be licensed! Doing so does nothing to protect homeowners and only costs them more money as the costs of licensing, bonding, and insuring gets passed on to them. Where do we draw the line with these silly laws? Should your paper boy be licensed, bonded, and insured to deliver your newspaper to your home? I mean he could slip and fall on your deck and sue, right? Common sense folk... Two years ago, if you were a homeowner in Oregon and you needed a screen door installed, had a leaking faucet, and a broken light switch, it was next to impossible to find a licensed contractor to fix these things for you as the economy was booming and most people in the trades had all the work they could handle and couldn’t be bothered with small jobs. And if you could find someone to do the smaller jobs, they'd bill out at $50-$75 an hour, and then send over some kid they were paying $9 an hour to do the job--and then the contractor would pocket the rest of the money--and they'd still make you wait 3-4 weeks for the privilege!! It wasn't about helping customers at a reasonable cost--it was about squeezing every last cent out of people. Now that the building industry is in a free-fall and contractors are desperate, everyone is running around and pointing fingers and trying to run off the Handymen who do a great job for less money not because we don't know what we're doing, but because we can do the job cheaper and we'll get to you faster!! The truth is that's what licensing is all about--money! The State wants the money from licensing fees and as a way to track revenue streams for tax purposes, the contractors want to keep billing out at $50-$75 and hour, and the insurance and bonding companies want mandatory insurance and bonding for all trades to increase their profits. Add to that Contractor’s and Trade associations who want to charge people annual membership fees…….it’s really all about money, and YOU, the homeowner are paying for it! In Oregon at least there is NO proficiency requirement in getting a contractor's license--it's an open-book exam that focuses primarily upon contract law. Anyone can take the test, pay the fees, and then be a "licensed contractor," and still not know a thing about how to do good work!!! I always tell my customers and friends and family that a license means NOTHING relative to the quality of someone's work. CHECK REFERENCES!!! Don't just ask for 3 references (anyone can find three people to say good things about them....) check their last 3-6 references! I really think that in order to strike a balance between protecting the homeowner and enriching the State and insurance companies with scare-tactics, that there needs to be some common sense applied here.

Contractors, licensed or not, can join the BBB (Better Business Bureau). This is not a consumer watch dog group to complain to when any contractor or handyman doesn't meet your expectations. It does in fact provide information about their subscribers to the public about any problems that arose with the contractor and what the disposition of any problems are. Such as did they correct the problem to the homeowners satisfaction or is there now a lawsuit pending This is clearly a useful and cost free tool for homeowners and others to utilize.

My so-called "licensed' contractor is being prosecuted for residential building without a license. Hopefully, they will order restitution for my thousands of dollars in repairs to work. I am going to continue to pursue this...in civil court if criminal court doesn't pan out.

I have over 100 pictures of shoddy workmanship (that is a polite way of saying it) on my facebook web page. Look it up!

I emphathize with Allison Sacks' experience with the home inspector. We had a licensed inspector and even then, we found far too many overlooked items that has cost us tens of thousands of dollars. The inspector failed to notice water damage in the basement, an old roof that was leaking, and missing cover for the place where the wall meets the side of the house - and as a result, water would pour into the walls, becoming moldy. But Ms. Sacks was smart to take action. All I did was submit a complaint with the BBB and grumbled as I paid contractors to repair all of these problems. So even a licensed home inspector may not be reliable - we suspect the former owner of the house tipped him off in order to make the sale.

The way I see it, there are many sides to this story. On one side are the contractors. There are the shoddy unlicensed contractors and repairmen who take advantage of uninterested or unconcerned homeowners. They take their good fortune, squeeze every penny they can out of the job and then walk away without worrying about how good the work is. They are only in it to make as much money as they can and don’t care about repeat business. Then there are the decent unlicensed contractors that care about the craftsmanship of their work. They take the time to make sure the job is done correctly the first time. These types are likely to have repeat customers. On the other side of the contractor coin are the licensed ones. But even in this group the members are diverse. Some take advantage of loopholes in the law to get away with doing subpar work and others go above the call and do more than required. On the other side are the homeowners. The first time is akin to Ebenezer Scrooge, pinching every penny in a effort save money. They may look at licensing but are more interested in the bottom line. They are happy when the contractor does a great job but also seem very surprised when the job becomes too expensive or the work is inferior. On the other end of the spectrum are the Richie Rich types who spare no expense, do their homework by checking to ensure the contractor can live up to his/her word. They are more likely to hire a licensed contractor but if they are satisfied with the craftsmanship an unlicensed one will do just as well. Somewhere in the middle is the average homeowner. Good, bad, or indifferent their only goal is that the work is done on time, on budget, and on the level. They don’t WANT to worry about licenses but if it ensures a proper job they will. The average homeowner is more worried about the budget than anything else. They will pull the plug as soon as it becomes too expensive, no matter the quality of work. They are also the first to complain if work doesn’t meet expectations, even if expectations are out of hand. No matter the contractor, licensed or unlicensed, and no matter the homeowner, Scrooge or Richie Rich, there are pitfalls to any job. Due diligence is the name of the game and the consumer must remember that they get what they pay for. I completely believe that it is up to the homeowner to choose the right contractor and has very little room to complain they do little more than look at the surface.

I was called to a house to inspect the wiring of a dryer because the homeowner was killed trying to hook up his dryer. There were two problems, one the homeowner wired up the dryer himself and two, the so called electrician installed the receptacle with no ground. The real problem was the receptacle because had it been installed with a ground as soon as the homeowner plugged in the dryer the circuit breaker would have tripped thus saving his life. Of course doing his own wiring was foolhardy.

Wow. It never fails to amaze me the endless list of excuses that unlicensed contractors try to use to justify being illegal. There are certain trades that require licensing and if you hire someone who isnt licensed, you are basically hiring someone who doesnt follow through. I say that because, if you cant be bothered to go take your licensing test, and follow the licensing rules i doubt you can be bothered to pick up your phone when your customer calls with a problem. Consumers, dont be fooled by unlicensed people trying to do work that requires a license. Theres a reason why they dont have a license and none of those reasons are going to be to your benefit. For my particular trade, the state license required 4000 hours of apprenticeship in a very specific discipline of plumbing. It could take as much as 10,000 hours of apprenticeship time if the persons experience is in areas that arent directly related to code compliant design and installations of plumbing systems (for example, plumbing repairs, drain cleaning etc.) One word of advice for consumers, most anything you do in your house requires a permit and a code inspection. these things are in place for your protection, and you should take advantage of them. an unlicensed contractor will avoid pulling permits or get you to do it yourself. This is a big red flag, and you need to pay attention. Also, never ever give money up front. If the contractor wants you to pay for materials before they do the job then perhaps you can pay when the materials are delivered to your jobsite, that way, at least you have something in exchange for your money. In my state, an unlicensed contractor cant get liability insurance either, so when they flood your house its going to be your problem. Think of it this way, the insurance company knows that someone without a license isnt qualified. Is that who you want working on your home? And FYI, an unlicensed contractor CANT do a thing against you to get paid for work they have done. So technically, if your state requires the plumber to be licensed, and you hire someone who is not, you dont have to pay them and theres nothing they can do. Personally Id like to see more unlicensed folks get stuck by homeowners who are aware of the rules! Remember, most states have a website where you can check on the licensing status of the folks you want to hire. Check into it. Any licensed professional is proud of that certification and works very hard to follow the rules in order to keep that license squeaky clean. Most licensed contractors have to be recertified every year and have a great many hoops to jump through to keep that license and to stay legal. Its your home, or your investment property, or your business... Why would you put these things at risk to a guy who can only letter a truck, but cant seem to run a legal business? To angies list, this comment box on your website is obnoxious. perhaps you might open it up a little so a person could put together a reasonable paragraph without wearing out the up and down arrows on the keyboard?... If my comments dont make sense, this itty bitty box has alot to do with it. Just a thought

I am laughing at all of this ! A (my license ) is a joke!! I own a landscape company here in denver Colo I am getting killed by all the flybyes. Having my business license doesn't do anything but cost me more money!! I can not operate at the lower cost that the illegals and what we call flybyes are charging the people are broke and when wanting something done they can't afford to hire (us) legal companies! Unfortunately in these days there are consumers (customers) that are trying to get somthing for free I can't count all the customers I have been ripped off by none payment and bounced checks I do not support the BBB another bill to pay for and it's not always the contractor in the wrong please be aware that people will come onto sites like this to trash a co or worker out of revenge basically everything is a f}#%^+ mess w no way to fix it do the dam job rite the first time!! or don't do it...

I agree with ellis on this post. Find someone by talking to those you trust, whether friends, family members or co-workers. Word of mouth reference is a great way to find the best. I do strongly encourage checking out online reviews as well. When you find a possible good contractor, consider these factors: 1. How was their phone representative? 2. Were they upfront about any service/travel charges/fees? 3. Are the technicians courteous, uniformed and clean? 4. Do they offer a guarantee IN WRITING of your 100% satisfaction or your money back with no fine print? 5. Do they respect the condition of your home by wearing shoe covers, placing drop cloths, etc? 6. Do they offer a straight forward price IN WRITING with no hidden fees or costs BEFORE they perform any service work? 7. If so, will they not require payment until the technician has completely gone over the repair work done and made sure the homeowner was 100% satisfied before requiring payment? 8. Do they have a customer referral rewards program in place? Most companies that adhere to standards such as these are customer-oriented, professional contractors who have the customers best interest in mind. While they probably won't be the cheapest, it is a safe assumption that these companies have drug-free, background checked, educated and professional technicians who have undergone months, if not years of training, passed a thorough examination process before being hired, and are truly an elite group of service professionals. Most of these companies thrive on repeat business of customers, and may even have a membership program that homeowners can sign up at a monthly or annual rate that will give them front of the line service and discounts on future service calls. And yes, companies with these standards will have all the proper licensing, insurance and bonding required by their local jurisdictions. Last but not least, to refer to ellis's post, finding that contractor with these high standards and customer service, you will be able to build that relationship that put you at ease knowing that not only is the work being performed per code, but you have a partner that truly cares about the safety and welfare of you, the homeowner. "....get to know them and establish trust before you commit!" Great advice! Btw, if you are concerned about "who" will be in your home, look up to see if you have any companies in your area that are participating in the "Technician Safety Seal" program. Contractors bearing the "Technician Safety Seal" have drug free, background checked (felon and criminal free) techs that bear a name tag and a Safety Seal patch on their uniform, as well as being able to furnish proof of their cleanliness. Check for yourself at http://www.mysafetyseal.com/index.aspx

i think that having a license is all part of doing business and doing it right we run across a ton of unlicensed guy's in Florida and it get's pretty bad they come in cheap do the job and most times do it wrong.I beleive that it will always be a problem people should always trust a fully licensed guy but if you doubt them call anouther ask questions if it comes down to right or wrong a good guy will give you a free second opinion and help you in any way they can

In the state of Florida it is a felony to sign a contract without a license.There is no license for a handyman. Why would you hire someone who is breaking the law. If the do shoddy work or rip off some valuables, don't call the law ,you invited them in knowing they were illegal.

Any contractor that refuses to get a licence is a contractor that more than like won't get proper building permits when doing work for you--and that's somebody I wouldn't want within a mile of my house. You can claim years and years of experience in some trade, but that experience means nothing if you refuse to get a licence so you can be held accountable for the work you do--and it also means nothing if that years and years of experience you have involves doing work that's not up to current code.

if one does not like a law or regulation, do your best to change it. Do not ignore it .

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