Vent stacks air out your plumbing



How important are vent stacks and what is their purpose? Angie's List member Mike Shadoan, Oak Harbor, Ohio

"They introduce air into the plumbing system so there's no vacuum," says Ralph Geiselman of highly rated Ralph E. Geiselman Plumbing in Pawtucket, R.I., which services Providence. "It's like when you put your thumb over a soda straw, it creates a vacuum and you can pull the liquid out with it. When you take your thumb off, it introduces air and liquid flows out."

Vent stacks are an integral part of any home and several may be needed to adequately vent multiple fixtures.

"Every plumbing system needs to have that air vent," says David Duck, owner of highly rated Mr. Rooter Corp. in Oklahoma City.

They usually come up through the roof, George Salet of highly rated George Salet Plumbing Inc. in Brisbane, Calif., says, and are made of cast iron, copper or plastic, depending on local code requirements.

"Plastic is the best selection because it lasts forever," he says. "However, where the vent penetrates through the roof, paint it with latex paint, so the UV light doesn't deteriorate it."

Salet recommends an open cover or screen on the end of the vent stack pipe to prevent debris from causing a stoppage. Vent stacks also help prevent gas or odors from sewer or septic lines from entering the home.

Experts agree they're generally trouble- and maintenance-free too.

"It's pretty rare to have any type of problem with them," Duck says.

Geiselman agrees: "They can get clogged," he says. "But since it's usually only about a 4-inch diameter pipe, it doesn't happen that often."

Mike Curran, vice president of highly rated Jarboe's Plumbing, Heating, Cooling & Electric in Buckner, Ky., which services Louisville, says if an obstruction did occur, it'd likely cost less than $200 to clear.

Geiselman says it's more common to find poorly installed plumbing vent stacks in new-construction homes that don't extend through the roof, which can lead to excessive moisture and odor in the attic.

If you suspect a problem, Geiselman suggests calling a plumber to assess it. Warning signs stacks aren't venting include a pungent smell. "Also, if you sink goes 'glug, glug, glug,' or someone flushes a sink and another sink makes a noise, that's a really good clue," Salet says.

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Comments

As a roofer and waterproofer these are a regular waterproofing item. Usually we recommend every 1-2 years you do maintenance on your roof and actually seal the connection between the pipe flashing and the pipe. Although this is a small penetration, leaks and degradation of the underlying roofing membrane do occur from them and do need to be maintained on a regular basis

Poorly installed vent stacks that "don't extend through the roof" can also allow vermin to come up from the sewer and into your attic. We found this out the hard (and disgusting) way.

Your headline to the effect that plumbing vents prevent sewage smell is an extremely vast overstatement. All they do is allow air into the lines so waste water will flow. They DO NOT prevent sewage smell. The only way to have "sewer smell" get into a house is to have a broken sewer line somewhere within the house. If it is cracked at the top the odors can waft into the house, and if it is cracked on the bottom sewage can seep into the home. But the vents are entirely a system of their own.

In older homes this can actually be a big problem. In my 1920's home I have had to replace the Kitchen stack as well as the main stack due to the the rusting and cracking of cast iron. Funny smells and the glug, glug symptoms are very helpful to diagnose this issue.

Vent stacks CAN prevent sewer smells, an improper vent system can cause the trap under a sink, tub, or shower to be sucked dry and allow sewer gases into your home.

Every vent that goes through the roof is a potential roof leak. Code allows you to combine them in the attic and make only one hole in the roof. The plumber makes a little more money, and the roofer a little less, so it's close to a wash. And you can choose the least bad looking place for the one pipe. There are many ways to get a sewer smell in the house. One is to have a clogged vent that lets one fixture, often a toilet, suck the trap dry in another, such as a sink, tub or shower. The trap has to have water in it to block the odors from farther down the sewer. -- J.S.

We live on the 21st of 22 floors in a Hi Rise that is 35 years old. We have sewer smell constantly in our baths and it doesnt seem to be from the toilet, sink, or shower. Really bad when wind is strong and from a certain direction. The Board of Directors can't seem to find the problem. Any suggestions?

I never saw a 4-inch vent; most I've seen are PVC around 2-inches. I would always penetrate roof for each individual. Never needed maintenance. On a re-roof in Texas, they painted the PVC for aesthetics.

You can also get smell in the house if you have the problem we had in our new house, the (master) plumbers (grandfathered in, not by passing a program) didn't install any p traps. AND our construction manager never noticed it, nor did the county inspector!

Royce You need to have caps installed on the vent pipes in the roof wind is blowing down the pipe and drying out a trap

You left out a very important fact about sewer gas--it contains hydrogen sulfide which is a very dangerous gas. It smells badly but in small concentrations it can kill you! That is why it's the required by law. Look it up. Get your plumbing fixed ASAP.

In the master bath, we got sewage smell from the sink after the shower is used. I used a 25-foot drill-powered snake on the tub and sink. Not much material came up bit it seemed to help. Now the smells are back. I checked the stacks on the roof - no obstructions visible up there, at least. Is cleaning with a drain cleaner going to help - or hurt - in this case? How strong? (The stuff I got says, "Concentrated sulfuric acid". Pretty strong stuff if I remember my high school chemistry. We are considering remodeling this bathroom (new shower enclosure, floor tile, cabinets, 2 sink vanity to one - and that might be the time to do any plumbing repairs, but I'd like to address the smell problem soon.

in winter, when super cold, the moisture freezes at the top of the vent causing sewer smell and have not yet figured out how to stop it

To Mark Cunningham -- Drain cleaner won't help. The problem is up in the dry part of the system, between the roof vent and the bathroom. You need to snake down the vent, or maybe just run water from the garden hose down the vent, to wash out the crud. I'd try the hose first, and go for the snake if that doesn't work. As a quick temporary solution, just run a little water in the sink when you're done with the shower, to re-fill the trap. That way, you can wait for good weather to go on the roof. -- J.S.

J.S. - Thanks - there is no cap on the vent, so I'm wondering if it is crud or something larger - a critter, leaves, goose dropping. Should I put on caps? I'll get up and give it a shot before the snow falls...Thanks again.

Caps can't hurt, but I hardly ever see them here in L.A. It depends on your location, do you have overhanging trees? We've had migratory ducks in our swimming pool, but we've never seen geese here. -- J.S.

Our two-story central Indiana home has a couple of trees nearby -close enough to allow squirrels to jump onto the roof. Many years ago, we woke up to a strange scratching noise and finally went outside to see the rear end of a squirrel sticking up from the vent pipe. He was trying hard to get out, but eventually slipped in and we heard him going through the system for several hours while we tried to use only the plumbing that was below where he was at any given time. We hoped to get him out through the basement access to the sewer - probably a dumb idea. But it never happened since one of us forgot and flushed. Anyway, a simple $1 wire cage on top of the roof vent solved the problem for all time and I wondered why it wasn't put on in the first place. I think it was one of those cages that you sometimes see on the top of a downspout to keep the leaves out.

We had a sewer smell in our downstairs bathroom. Turns out our sink vent was on an exterior wall, and the siding nails had punctured it during construction. It took 14 years for the nails to rust away and for a smell to develop. We discovered the location of the leak by performing a smoke test.

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